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Basil brush

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:43pm

Basil brush

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:43pm

Hello again,

I would think to be on the safe side it’s best to approach an architect for his opinion but Iam guessing if your knocking down walls then I believe permits etc are required and at the end of the day it’s for everyone’s safety and security even though it costs more money initially I would say it’s worth it for peace of mind! 

If you was just decorating or maybe changing kitchen or bathroom furniture then I would guess nothing would be required but again I would still check with local town hall.  Good luck with it all!

Shortiedouglas

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:57pm

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:57pm

Thanks once again for the helpful information we will get all the checks done before taking out the sledge hammer!

No doubt you will see a lot more questions on this site from me its a very helpful forum. cheers

Kevin70

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:30am

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:30am

Gil6066 wrote on Sat May 5, 2018 6:37pm:

Thinking of moving to catral but I'm a bit concerned about illegal properties in the area.are there any specific areas that should be avoided so I can discount certain properties.thanks for any info regards Dave.

Hi. I have 23yrs experience in spanish property and suggest you use a lawyer instead of solicitor... POA process with insurance of total protection. 

Initially to save time use an established agent that will only have legal properties advertised. If you want more info send me private message 

Willy

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:13am

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:13am

HI Kevin70

You say (use an established agent that will only have legal properties advertised) in our experience of many established agent who claim they have no illegal  properties even the one currently on the TV who stated to us we do not have and illegal  properties did as our solicitor found out! and so do many others as we have found out over the years in or property searches this is why I made the recommendation. for  the solicitor/Lawyer who has insurance!  As she picked up on several Illegal ones and save us from making mistakes.

Cheryl

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:38am

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:38am

Shortiedouglas wrote on Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:53pm:

Hi We are about to put a deposit on a villa in Catral built in 1999. The villa is said to be illegal but the owners have everything done that was required to legalise them.

We have a lawyer from torrevieja who doesn't advise buying but the estate agent is saying that everything's ready to go it's just Valencia has stopped Catral issuing CH because they were over charging....

...

I cannot find any up to date info on this and would appreciate it if any one is in the same position or if any one has any positive up to date info in how this problem is to be resolved. Scared to loose our lives savings

Never take the word of an estate agent. They are paid by the seller and will say whatever it takes to get the property sold. That said, a lot of people live in illegal properties in Spain, and they do sell, but there is always going to be that query on them which will limit the number of buyers prepared to take a risk. As mentioned before, a country house needs to be in a plot of 10,000 m2, anything less and its "iffy". My understanding is that adding an approved septic tank may get a habitation certificate but it will never be fully legal and there will be severe restrictions on any building works in future because there is already more building on the land than is legal.
Also, Catral is inches above the water table and houses can suffer from damp and mozzies can be troublesome here but that said, many ex-pats live here happily.
Do not use a solicitor recommended by the estate agent under any circumstances and the fact that taxes are being collected on a property does not imply legality.
These problems have been going on for years and I would be really interested to hear the different experiences of those already living in such properties in Catral because I hear of people making their houses fully legal which I understand is impossible, and wonder if they mean that they have had the tank installed and got the Habitacion Certificate, which still doesn´t actually make it legal, more like accepted and not likely to be demolished although it seems Valencia can and do overturn agreements made locally.
Please, all those people with good knowledge about this, is there any definitive guidance available?

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Shortiedouglas

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:45pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:45pm

Hi Cheryl thank for your comments that was what I was hoping to find out, definite guidance there is so many people saying different things.

I'm particularly concerned about the mozzies I asked if they were worse in Catral  because it was rural and was told that Catral sprays to kill them. Is this not the case?

I am totally confused now I did believe getting the habitation certificate made it legal.

Please if there is anyone who knows any concrete evidence please share it with us

Shortiedouglas

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:57pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:57pm

Cheryl wrote on Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:38am:

Never take the word of an estate agent. They are paid by the seller and will say whatever it takes to get the property sold. That said, a lot of people live in illegal properties in Spain, and they do sell, but there is always going to be that query on them which will limit the number of buyers p...

...repared to take a risk. As mentioned before, a country house needs to be in a plot of 10,000 m2, anything less and its "iffy". My understanding is that adding an approved septic tank may get a habitation certificate but it will never be fully legal and there will be severe restrictions on any building works in future because there is already more building on the land than is legal.
Also, Catral is inches above the water table and houses can suffer from damp and mozzies can be troublesome here but that said, many ex-pats live here happily.
Do not use a solicitor recommended by the estate agent under any circumstances and the fact that taxes are being collected on a property does not imply legality.
These problems have been going on for years and I would be really interested to hear the different experiences of those already living in such properties in Catral because I hear of people making their houses fully legal which I understand is impossible, and wonder if they mean that they have had the tank installed and got the Habitacion Certificate, which still doesn´t actually make it legal, more like accepted and not likely to be demolished although it seems Valencia can and do overturn agreements made locally.
Please, all those people with good knowledge about this, is there any definitive guidance available?

Hi Cheryl just to pick up on your comment about inches above the water table does that mean there's the possibility of your property being flooded?

We viewed this property twice and we couldn't smell damp and the house has been locked and windows closed as the agent had to pull up the shutter blinds.

And is this flooding a regular thing?

Richard080943

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:32pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:32pm

Not only do you have the problem of illegal houses but when you live there the problem of mosquito and black fly plagues will always be with you!  Catral is on the flood plain which means that it is a haven for bugs.

Look further up country, its legal and safer.

Richard in Crevillent - mosquito free!

Kevin70

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:40pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:40pm

Willy wrote on Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:13am:

HI Kevin70

You say (use an established agent that will only have legal properties advertised) in our experience of many established agent who claim they have no illegal  properties even the one currently on the TV who stated to us we do not have and illegal  properties did as our solicitor found o...

...ut! and so do many others as we have found out over the years in or property searches this is why I made the recommendation. for  the solicitor/Lawyer who has insurance!  As she picked up on several Illegal ones and save us from making mistakes.

Clearly dealing with wrong people.. 

Kevin70

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:43pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:43pm

Cheryl wrote on Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:38am:

Never take the word of an estate agent. They are paid by the seller and will say whatever it takes to get the property sold. That said, a lot of people live in illegal properties in Spain, and they do sell, but there is always going to be that query on them which will limit the number of buyers p...

...repared to take a risk. As mentioned before, a country house needs to be in a plot of 10,000 m2, anything less and its "iffy". My understanding is that adding an approved septic tank may get a habitation certificate but it will never be fully legal and there will be severe restrictions on any building works in future because there is already more building on the land than is legal.
Also, Catral is inches above the water table and houses can suffer from damp and mozzies can be troublesome here but that said, many ex-pats live here happily.
Do not use a solicitor recommended by the estate agent under any circumstances and the fact that taxes are being collected on a property does not imply legality.
These problems have been going on for years and I would be really interested to hear the different experiences of those already living in such properties in Catral because I hear of people making their houses fully legal which I understand is impossible, and wonder if they mean that they have had the tank installed and got the Habitacion Certificate, which still doesn´t actually make it legal, more like accepted and not likely to be demolished although it seems Valencia can and do overturn agreements made locally.
Please, all those people with good knowledge about this, is there any definitive guidance available?

Listen to your lawyer!!! 

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