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Dazz

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:03pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:03pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:34pm:

Hi Dazz,

It may vary, but certainly the bar/restaurant where a friend works in Benijofar insists that their staff prove they have been double-vaccinated.  I don't know whether this is stipulated in Spanish law, but it would seem inequitable to me that a hostelry owner has to demand proof from its cus...

...tomers, if they're not demanding the same standard from their staff 🤔 

Kind regards, 

Kim

I honestly don't know the rules, but I was told by a friend who worked in a bar that staff do not have to prove they've been vaccinated. 

Don't get me started on employers forcing staff to have a vaccination so they can keep there jobs, grrr, lol

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:40pm

Dazz wrote on Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:11pm:

I'm sorry, but I think this is offensive. I am vaccinated and had my booster but if someone decides not to be vaccinated that is there choice surely? 

Personally I have no issue with mixing with people who aren't vaccinated and in my opinion no one has the right to ask if someone has or hasn't been vaccinated, this includes bars and restaurants. As far as I'm aware, customers have to be vaccinated to enter, but oddly staff don't have to be....

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Offensive or not !, here in the UK 5 million (10%) of the eligible population are having a damaging impact on society and creating unnecessary pressure on the health system by refusing vaccination. Those hospital beds could be used for others with equally severe illnesses, who did not have a choice. But instead of protecting themselves and protecting the community they choose not to get vaccinated. About 9 out of 10 covid patients needing the most critical care in hospitals in the UK are unvaccinated. You call it offensive, I call it selfish.
The above statistics are not based on my personal opinion, they are from the Secretary of State for Health and social care of the United Kingdom. But I admit the comment selfish, is indeed my personal opinion.

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:31pm

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Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:38pm:

Hi Sue,

I generally read anything in EWN with caution, but their quotes and references are plausible.  If the vaccines wane around the 6 month period, it makes sense to me that we should have our boosters on or around that time.  Good luck getting yours! 👍

Stay safe,

Kim

Hello Kim

I've seen somewhere that they are starting over 50's and over 40's with boosters.

I will let you know tomorrow 😊

Sue 😘

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:37pm

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Pix Elated wrote on Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:03pm:

My husbands appointment is 15th Feb 2022 over 9 months since his 2nd vaccination. I haven't even been able to get an appointment. The medical centre at Cabo Roig is an absolute shambles.

I don't see how the EU can start considering us not fully vaccinated when they cant get us vaccinated in a timely manner. It's not like it's my fault the authorities wont pull their collective fingers out and get us jabbed so why should my liberty be curtailed because of their inefficiency....

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Hello Pix Elated

That's terrible!!!😬

Hope things get better in your center.

Too long of a wait eh ?

Sue 😘

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:49am

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:49am

Sues007 wrote on Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:31pm:

Hello Kim

I've seen somewhere that they are starting over 50's and over 40's with boosters.

I will let you know tomorrow 😊

Sue 😘

Hi Sue,

Yes, both age groups have been approved for the booster jab, although I believe the over 40s won't be started until the New Year.

Good luck with getting yours - hope to hear you've been successful 👍

Stay safe,

Kim

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:07am

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Dazz wrote on Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:03pm:

I honestly don't know the rules, but I was told by a friend who worked in a bar that staff do not have to prove they've been vaccinated. 

Don't get me started on employers forcing staff to have a vaccination so they can keep there jobs, grrr, lol

It's a tricky one, Dazz, probably as divisive as Brexit! 🤫

By having the vaccine, my choice protects myself and others.  The alternative choice, not to have the vaccine, protects no-one.  But the people who really tick me off are those who demand their "beliefs" about not being vaccinated be respected, they don't care about the impact that their choice has on my Human Rights and then, as soon as they can't get into bars and restaurants, they decide they will have the vaccine afterall.  So much for "beliefs" 🙄

That said, I don't believe in mandatory vaccinations, because it could demonise those who have a genuine medical reason not to have it - although, as a GP friend told me, "Those are very, very, VERY few people".

Stay safe,

Kim

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:12am

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:12am

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:49am:

Hi Sue,

Yes, both age groups have been approved for the booster jab, although I believe the over 40s won't be started until the New Year.

Good luck with getting yours - hope to hear you've been successful 👍

Stay safe,

Kim

Hello Kim and thanks for info.

I've just come back from the medical center and still on 60's.  I asked when will it be over 50's and she didn't know 🤣🤣🤣

Maybe in the new year too👍they usually message the appointment to you at my center.

Sue 😘

Dazz

Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:11pm

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:11pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:07am:

It's a tricky one, Dazz, probably as divisive as Brexit! 🤫

By having the vaccine, my choice protects myself and others.  The alternative choice, not to have the vaccine, protects no-one.  But the people who really tick me off are those who demand their "beliefs" about not being vaccinated be respected, they don't care about the impact that thei...

...r choice has on my Human Rights and then, as soon as they can't get into bars and restaurants, they decide they will have the vaccine afterall.  So much for "beliefs" 🙄

That said, I don't believe in mandatory vaccinations, because it could demonise those who have a genuine medical reason not to have it - although, as a GP friend told me, "Those are very, very, VERY few people".

Stay safe,

Kim

I agree with you totally, it's a very tricky, sensitive and divisive subject. If people choose not have the vaccine for whatever reason then that is there choice, but then to have it so they can go to the pub or to travel is absolutely ridiculous, as I said I'm vaccinated, but I won't be downloading a covid pass so I can get into a venue, but then again I'm a stubborn old git :)

It all comes down to one set of human rights vs another set of human rights, in my opinion neither side is right or wrong, there are simply two different views. 

For example, due to a hereditary heart condition I am exempt, but I chose to have the vaccine, my daughter in the UK has chosen not to and has an exemption certificate, it doesn't matter what my personal thoughts are I support her totally in the decision. 

Yes mandatory vaccination is wrong, there are many reasons why someone may not want or be able to have it and that should be respected.

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:38pm

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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:38pm

Hew wrote on Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:40pm:

Offensive or not !, here in the UK 5 million (10%) of the eligible population are having a damaging impact on society and creating unnecessary pressure on the health system by refusing vaccination. Those hospital beds could be used for others with equally severe illnesses, who did not have a choi...

...ce. But instead of protecting themselves and protecting the community they choose not to get vaccinated. About 9 out of 10 covid patients needing the most critical care in hospitals in the UK are unvaccinated. You call it offensive, I call it selfish.
The above statistics are not based on my personal opinion, they are from the Secretary of State for Health and social care of the United Kingdom. But I admit the comment selfish, is indeed my personal opinion.

I was only pointing out the comment about a certain group of people is offensive, that sort of thing would not be tolerated against any other group of people. Let's all demonise and segregate a group of people we think are wrong, ring any historical bells? 

Yes, some people who have refused the vaccination are seeing all kinds of conspiracies, but I think that's not the majority, just the loudest :).

Your point of view and opinion is as valid as anyone else's, a more sceptical man than me may question the fact that 10% of the population are using 90% of the covid beds.

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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:35am

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Whilst, theoretically, anyone has a ‘right’ to refuse vaccination, what I find interesting is that there is little comment about the plight of those whose operations, treatments etc have been cancelled due to the occupation of hospital beds by Covid patients. Do the people suffering, extremely in many cases and sometimes dying, not also have ‘rights’.

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