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Are we barred from visiting our Holiday Homes for the next 6 months?

Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 12:20pm
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Fay50

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The October 25th State of Emergency in Spain, seems to state that travel to Holiday Homes is not allowed.  The Valencian Province rules also seem to bar travel other than work, medical or emergency.

My question is....Are we barred from entering Spain for SIX MONTHS from October 25th to visit our Holiday Home?    Could the time limit be lifted within the Valencian region before that?  I know, you need a Genii to be able to forecast that!!

We had flights for next week, with Ryanair that have not been cancelled, and want to change them.  Uk rules make it impossible to travel now, but where do we go from here?  If the restriction is for six months, there is no point in changing them to January is there?

We have not been to our Holiday Home since we left in Early February, and are quite anxious about it.

So, if someone could clarify the exact rules, I would be grateful.  
I have read the Uk Gov site and the Spanish Gov site too. But neither seems to spell it out to a Home Owner.  We are not residents, and not staying in a tourist hotel. 

Many thanks.

tebo53

Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 1:05pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 1:05pm

Im afraid that owning property in Spain does not give you any rights whatsoever so you will be classed as a tourist and come under those restrictions. 

Steve 

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 3:18pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 3:18pm

tebo53 wrote on Thu Nov 5, 2020 1:05pm:

Im afraid that owning property in Spain does not give you any rights whatsoever so you will be classed as a tourist and come under those restrictions. 

Steve 

Imho, Huge difference between Tourist and investor .     It’s as if people who have holiday homes don’t matter at all. Not to the U.K. Govt or the Spanish Govt, not so when they have their hands out though.     They have more of a vested interest than “Tourists “ and so many more things to deal with, so difficult from afar and these things should be considered much more and at least have a mention in all of this debarcle.    They should put people who invested in their country and can’t spend as much time for various reasons as residents,  into a separate category,  and possibly others on here would agree.   The Spanish Goverment should consider the position that these people find themselves in.  Some of the people appearing on “A place in the Sun “ should read what’s on here first.  

dinnerout

Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:24pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:24pm

L181SKY wrote on Thu Nov 5, 2020 3:18pm:

Imho, Huge difference between Tourist and investor .     It’s as if people who have holiday homes don’t matter at all. Not to the U.K. Govt or the Spanish Govt, not so when they have their hands out though.     They have more of a vested interest than “Tourists “ and s...

...o many more things to deal with, so difficult from afar and these things should be considered much more and at least have a mention in all of this debarcle.    They should put people who invested in their country and can’t spend as much time for various reasons as residents,  into a separate category,  and possibly others on here would agree.   The Spanish Goverment should consider the position that these people find themselves in.  Some of the people appearing on “A place in the Sun “ should read what’s on here first.  

I'm not sure what relevance A Place In The Sun has, anyway....

As previously said, visiting a holiday home abroad makes you a tourist under any definition. There's a worldwide pandemic ongoing which is killing people and governments across Europe are correct to restrict travel when they believe it's in the interests of public safety and that has to come above other considerations. In doing so it reduces much needed revenue to the Spanish economy so it's not as if they're doing it lightly.

Under the full lockdown here back in the Spring I wasn't able to check on my rental apartment 11 miles away so I do understand the concerns that UK residents have about their holiday homes. But it is what it is. Hopefully it won't last forever.

Steve

Fay50

Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:51pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:51pm

dinnerout wrote on Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:24pm:

I'm not sure what relevance A Place In The Sun has, anyway....

As previously said, visiting a holiday home abroad makes you a tourist under any definition. There's a worldwide pandemic ongoing which is killing people and governments across Europe are correct to restrict travel when they believe it's in the interests of public safety and that has to come abov...

...e other considerations. In doing so it reduces much needed revenue to the Spanish economy so it's not as if they're doing it lightly.

Under the full lockdown here back in the Spring I wasn't able to check on my rental apartment 11 miles away so I do understand the concerns that UK residents have about their holiday homes. But it is what it is. Hopefully it won't last forever.

Steve

Thank you for your comments, and I fully agree that travel should be curtailed in the interests of safety for all.  That has to be a worldwide priority.

What I still have not seen in writing is .....that it definitely is NOT possible to fly or drive to Spain UNTIL AFTER APRIL 2021.  Does the State of Emergency absolutely mean this?

There must be many Holiday Home Owners who have travel booked for the next four or five months, and who will not be able to travel to Spain.

We can only hope that the Virus can be again reduced to controllable levels so life for all of us, in the UK and Spain, can revert back to some sort of enjoyable compromise.

Fay

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dinnerout

Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:59pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:59pm

Fay50 wrote on Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:51pm:

Thank you for your comments, and I fully agree that travel should be curtailed in the interests of safety for all.  That has to be a worldwide priority.

What I still have not seen in writing is .....that it definitely is NOT possible to fly or drive to Spain UNTIL AFTER APRIL 2021.  Does the State of Emergency absolutely mean this?...

...

There must be many Holiday Home Owners who have travel booked for the next four or five months, and who will not be able to travel to Spain.

We can only hope that the Virus can be again reduced to controllable levels so life for all of us, in the UK and Spain, can revert back to some sort of enjoyable compromise.

Fay

Hi Fay, I haven't heard about the length of time either. New updated restrictions to be announced tomorrow, maybe we'll find out more.

(and I do sympathise!)

Steve 

craig245t

Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:38pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:38pm

I fly out on Sunday for the week to do some work in our house. As far as I'm aware I can fly into Alicante but can only travel within the Valencian community outwith curfew times. 

Unless if course I've missed an important announcement....... 

dinnerout

Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:49pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:49pm

craig245t wrote on Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:38pm:

I fly out on Sunday for the week to do some work in our house. As far as I'm aware I can fly into Alicante but can only travel within the Valencian community outwith curfew times. 

Unless if course I've missed an important announcement....... 

Hi Craig, technically I think you would be breaking the UK lockdown rules which say non essential holiday travel is prohibited.

Here, from Gov.uk

11. Travel

If you live in England, you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make. However you can and should still travel for a number of reasons, including:

travelling to work where this cannot be done from hometravelling to education and for caring responsibilitiesto visit those in your support bubble - or your childcare bubble for childcarehospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your healthto buy goods or services from premises that are open, including essential retailto spend time or exercise outdoors - this should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)attending the care and exercise of a pet, or veterinary services

If you need to travel we encourage you to walk or cycle where possible, and to plan ahead and avoid busy times and routes on public transport. This will allow you to practise social distancing while you travel.

You must not travel if you are experiencing any coronavirus symptoms, are self-isolating as a result of coronavirus symptoms, are sharing a household or support bubble with somebody with symptoms, or have been told to self-isolate after being contacted by NHS Test and Trace. The fine for breaching self isolation rules start at £1,000. This could increase to up to £10,000 for repeat offences and the most serious breaches, including for those preventing others from self-isolating.

Steve

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:57pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:57pm

dinnerout wrote on Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:49pm:

Hi Craig, technically I think you would be breaking the UK lockdown rules which say non essential holiday travel is prohibited.

Here, from Gov.uk

11. Travel

If you live in England, you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make. However you can and should still travel for a number of reasons, including:

travelling to work where this cannot be done from hometravelling to education and for caring responsibilitiesto visit those in your support bubble - or your childcare bubble for childcarehospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your healthto buy goods or services from premises that are open, including essential retailto spend time or exercise outdoors - this should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)attending the care and exercise of a pet, or veterinary services

If you need to travel we encourage you to walk or cycle where possible, and to plan ahead and avoid busy times and routes on public transport. This will allow you to practise social distancing while you travel.

You must not travel if you are experiencing any coronavirus symptoms, are self-isolating as a result of coronavirus symptoms, are sharing a household or support bubble with somebody with symptoms, or have been told to self-isolate after being contacted by NHS Test and Trace. The fine for breaching self isolation rules start at £1,000. This could increase to up to £10,000 for repeat offences and the most serious breaches, including for those preventing others from self-isolating.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I don't live in England so I'm not breaking any UK or Spanish laws. 

There was a post on the excellent N332 Facebook page which was a little misleading due to the wording / translation. 

However, if you fly into Alicante you can travel within the Valencian Community. You could not fly into Murcia then drive into Valencian community. 

dinnerout

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Posted: Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:57pm

dinnerout wrote on Thu Nov 5, 2020 7:49pm:

Hi Craig, technically I think you would be breaking the UK lockdown rules which say non essential holiday travel is prohibited.

Here, from Gov.uk

11. Travel

If you live in England, you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make. However you can and should still travel for a number of reasons, including:

travelling to work where this cannot be done from hometravelling to education and for caring responsibilitiesto visit those in your support bubble - or your childcare bubble for childcarehospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your healthto buy goods or services from premises that are open, including essential retailto spend time or exercise outdoors - this should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)attending the care and exercise of a pet, or veterinary services

If you need to travel we encourage you to walk or cycle where possible, and to plan ahead and avoid busy times and routes on public transport. This will allow you to practise social distancing while you travel.

You must not travel if you are experiencing any coronavirus symptoms, are self-isolating as a result of coronavirus symptoms, are sharing a household or support bubble with somebody with symptoms, or have been told to self-isolate after being contacted by NHS Test and Trace. The fine for breaching self isolation rules start at £1,000. This could increase to up to £10,000 for repeat offences and the most serious breaches, including for those preventing others from self-isolating.

Steve

And here....

12. Staying away from home overnight

Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed- including holidays in the UK and abroad. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, if you own one, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.

You are allowed to stay overnight away from your home if you:

are unable to return to your main residence an need accommodation while moving house, need accommodation to attend a funeral or related commemorative event, require accommodation for work purposes or to provide voluntary services or care to a child requiring accommodation for school or care for homeless, seeking asylum or a vulnerable person seeking refuge, or an elite athlete or their support staff or parent, if the athlete is under 18

Steve

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