Returning to spain from uk - Page 3

Hi Ange,

I, too have had my NIE for 18years, it's never expired or been renewed etc. I  haven't needed it for work purposes, it has been phorocopied several times and it isn't 'green'  as posted by Martyn.

 I was unaware that there were 2 types of NIE numbers.

Cheers

El

For a short period there were some changes back in early 2014 to the NIE, Which coincided with changes to Spanish residency regulations, one of these is that the New Green NIE certificate will state valid only for 3 months, the reason for this was the Spanish Government were trying to encourage everyone to apply for their residency after the initial 3 month period of living in Spain, the actual NIE number allocated at this time, actually stays with you and did not expire. If you did not take up residency, It was necessary to register you NIE with a Notary as a Non-resident, meaning you could use the NIE certificate without worries and did not need to apply for Spanish residency.  Edit, as Kimmy has stated on another post the green A4 was for a residency certificate, the white A4 is for a nie certificate, thank you kimmy for the update.peter.

See elin and Angi, im not trying to be argumentative but two people on here have just said the same as me. 

Hello

I didnt say it was incorrect,  I just quoted my experience & said I wasn't aware there were 2 types of NIE. Now after an explanation from Angebadge & the quote from one of the guides - it seems  there was a different type issued some years ago

Elinspain 

No wonder some of you are confused - the names of two different documents are being muddled up here.

The NIE (Numero de identified de extranjero, or foreigners' ID number) is a WHITE, A4-sized document.  You need to apply for one in order to open a bank account in Spain, buy a property,  buy a car, etc. - it's unique to you and for life (even for those whose documents were issued during the brief period when they had expiry dates, the tax ID number is retained).  Non-resident property owners also have to obtain an NIE in order to do anything significant in Spain.

The GREEN A4-sized document is the old style residency certificate and was replaced by the GREEN credit-card sized Certificado de Registro, otherwise known as "Residencia".  When you apply for residency, your NIE number is also printed on your Certificado de Registro.  The confusion arises because many Spanish people refer to this green document as the "NIE" - it isn't.

I suspect many people have made the same error because, for anyone who has worked in Spain, they've probably been asked for their NIE from a Spanish bureaucrat, when they actually mean the green residency certificate.

Kind regards,

Kim

Kimmy im going to drive to you and buy you any drink you like and if ya have pets, theb you have free pet care for life. You somehow seem to agree with me and have my back.... Even if by accident lol. 

Hi David,

I'm sorry to hear of your predicament.  It's a pity you didn't ask for help last year - you could have applied for residency with a lump sum of €5,500 OR income of €463 per month; subject to your age, you may also have needed private health insurance. 

Nevertheless, you are where you are and in answer to you question, the earliest you are likely to be able to return to Spain, as a non-resident, is on or around 17th May, assuming that both the UK's and Spain's travel restrictions are sufficiently lifted by then.

Going forward, as a non-resident, you'll need to comply with Schengen travel zone regulations (because Spain is a member of Schengen, but the UK is not).  The maximum time you can spend in Spain and any other Schengen country is 90 days in a rolling 180 days.  As you're working in the UK, you'll need to keep track of the time spent in Schengen, as over-staying, even inadvertently, can have serious consequences, such as fines and deportation.  As AngeBadge has already advised, since 1 January this year, the movements of UK travellers are now logged in and out of Schengen.

I hope you can find a way to make it work out for your circumstances.

Kind regards, 

Kim

Hello Kim

Thank you for clarifying that, so one NIE number for life  & one green residencia certificate ( which I used to have)  now exchanged for TIE.......I now see where the confusion came from.

Regards

Elinspain

I'm going to ask a question which is going off at a slight tangent but as it's not something I've considered before, I'd be grateful to understand the implications or indeed if it would be feasible:

(i) apply for residency in Spain (type is irrelevant but let's assume the plan is not to work in Spain so a non-lucrative visa)

(ii) fiscal residency in Spain will occur

(iii) continuing to work in the UK for a UK employer/company which pays the individual through PAYE and therefore is paying into the UK tax system. (Whether you do the job remotely in Spain or return periodically to the UK while complying with the requirements to maintain your Spanish residency presumably shouldn't matter)

I presume, the employee pays tax through PAYE in the UK. However, they're tax resident in Spain so I assume the individual has to declare the earnings in the UK in Spain and pay tax there while claiming DTR on the UK paid element?

If that is the case, it would seem like a nightmare to manage from an individual perspective both generally but also cash flow wise as presumably the UK/Spain deducts at the point in time of earnings whereas any DTR involves a claim and an invariable time lag.

All just random musings rather than adding any value, but would be interested to see if anyone has managed that scenario?

You are absolutely right N.I.E does not expire.