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LinPlant

Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 12:54pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 12:54pm

Sligogent wrote on Wed Oct 4, 2023 7:40pm:

I  like  yourselves  live in  Republic of Ireland. I  have  aspirations  to spend  this winter  and  future  winter  in Torrevieja  area.

I would  be grateful if  you could  tell  what your Motor Insurance  company  you are insured  with. As  I  am with  Liberty  insurance  and will only insure my transport  for  Maximum  of 93 days  in Europe  and...

...  got  a  Similar response  when I enquired  about  Breakdown  cover. The  A A  quote  was  234  for  90  days. I  have  Health  insurance  and  they will  only  cover  me for  Maximum  of 90 days  in  1  visit   and  I  would  need to return  to Republic of Ireland  🇮🇪  for  a  short  visit  of  14  days before  Health  insurance  would  kick  in  again,  but  I  have  European  medical  card. 

I did see your request for details of car and health insurance and I will reply, but you’ve made me doubt them, so want to double check documents to be certain and will confirm this week for you. We have just had a lot on to deal with last week. 

red99

Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 5:57pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 5:57pm

marcliff wrote on Wed Oct 4, 2023 6:25pm:

Quite wrong, I'm afraid. Firstly, it doesn't matter if he's from South or North Ireland, all are entitled to an Irish passport. 

Secondly, an EU citizen does not get carte blanche to come to Spain and stay as long as they like. Whilst the 90 in 180 days does not apply, the maximum and EU citizen can stay in Spain in one trip is 90 days unless you sign on the register of foreign EU citizens resident in Spain. This is very e...

...asy to do but must be done in the 3 months from arrival. This will allow you to stay in Spain for longer than the 90 days but, as you say, don't go over the 183 days or you become a fiscal (tax paying) resident.

You simply make an appointment with a foreigners' office or National Police station in the province you are going to stay in. You, with a UK passport, can accompany him with the same "spouse of" register but you must ensure you keep records of your travel as going over 90 days is only valid if you are accompanying him and you must be able to prove it. You will not be able to enter the Schengen area by yourself if you exceed 90 days in 180. 

This link tells you all about it https://administracion.gob.es/pag_Home/en/Tu-espacio-europeo/derechos-obligaciones/ciudadanos/residencia/obtencion-residencia/inscribirte-residente.html

You make a prior appointment with the National Police at this link https://icp.administracionelectronica.gob.es/icpplus/index.html

It talks you through it by selecting National Police Procedures and then EU Citizen Registration Certificate. When completing the form ensure you tick De No residencia on the back. It also gives a link to the tax form code 790 Model 012 which you pay at a bank of about 12 euro (ish, it will tell you how much when you print the certificate).

You will require an in date passport, proof of funds (600 euro a month) and full health insurance coverage for your time in Spain which gives at least the same cover as the Spanish NHS with no copayments.

Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland are considered the same in the EU regardless of NI being in the UK

As a bystander with an Irish Passport I understood that on or just before the 90 day limit one could leave say go to Morocco leaving Spain for say one day and then returning back in order to qualify for another 90 days.

True or False?

Thanks

John  

TonySmith

Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 6:47pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 6:47pm

red99 wrote on Sun Oct 8, 2023 5:57pm:

As a bystander with an Irish Passport I understood that on or just before the 90 day limit one could leave say go to Morocco leaving Spain for say one day and then returning back in order to qualify for another 90 days.

True or False?

Thanks

John  

True, as long as you depart Spain, your 90 day limit restarts from your next entry

red99

Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 7:48pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 8, 2023 7:48pm

TonySmith wrote on Sun Oct 8, 2023 6:47pm:

True, as long as you depart Spain, your 90 day limit restarts from your next entry

Many thanks for making the time

J M

LinPlant

Posted: Mon Oct 9, 2023 12:59pm

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Posted: Mon Oct 9, 2023 12:59pm

Darro wrote on Wed Oct 4, 2023 9:31pm:

"I would  be grateful if  you could  tell  what your Motor Insurance  company  you are insured  with. As  I  am with  Liberty  insurance  and will only insure my transport  for  Maximum  of 93 days  in Europe"

All motor insurance policies written in the EU, and including those written in UK, must by law provide cover for minimum 3rd party risks for their duration, i.e. the full year not just 90 days. It's only the comprehensive element which is subject to limitation determined by the individual insurer...

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Insurers won't tell you that as they want you to spend xxxx for an extension of the comprehensive cover. Some appear to not even know the law and insist that cover will be voided if you go over their 90 days, or whatever it is they allow!

Can't help with breakdown and health insurance.

Hi, I have double checked and we have health cover via our existing Laya policy for health cover (our travel insurance is also with Laya, but this is with the health policy). 

Car also double checked. No roadside breakdown outside of Ireland or  UK, but fully comprehensive, no time limit, although I did give her exact dates, on our existing Allianz policy. 

Can recommend you have a chat with Amy Duggan in the Wexford office of Gallagher Insurance. She’s very helpful and great to deal with. 053 912 3122

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Zdenek

Posted: Mon Oct 9, 2023 9:49pm

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Posted: Mon Oct 9, 2023 9:49pm

Sligogent wrote on Wed Oct 4, 2023 9:53pm:

Thanks for   very helpful  reply.  I  shall  contact Liberty  insurance  in  morning  and  put  it  to  them. But  they  did  make  it  clear to me  that  93  days  was  maximum...

...  allowed.

Thanks  again  for  your  knowledge. 

Zurich insurance gives full comp cover for 30 days and 3rd party for the other 5 months. Z

Sligogent

Posted: Mon Oct 9, 2023 10:25pm

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Zdenek wrote on Mon Oct 9, 2023 9:49pm:

Zurich insurance gives full comp cover for 30 days and 3rd party for the other 5 months. Z

Libertyinsurance.ie   will  cover me  for  93 days   but Third party only. I  can get  insurance   for a  longer  period  if  required  but  it  cost  extra.  I  have  already  have  renewed  my  insurance policy  for the  coming  12 months. 

Thanks for  all your help 🙏 

Pheasant Plucker

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:57pm

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DEP003 wrote on Wed Oct 4, 2023 6:01pm:

If your husband is from Southern Ireland (which is part of the EU) then my understanding is you can apply for an Irish passport and you can both stay for as long or short as you want.  There are no time constraints between EU countries if you both hold an EU passport.

If your husband holds an EU passport and you hold a UK one, your husband can stay for as long or short as he wants between EU countries whereas you can only stay for up to 180 days.  This may explain why your passport gets stamped.  An overstayer can get you blocked for up to 3 years....

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If your husband is from Northern Ireland then sadly that makes you both part of the UK so you can only stay a maximum of 180 days at a time.

I believe my info is correct but please check it out first.

People who live in Northern Ireland are entitled to hold an Irish passport!

Alan mac

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:02pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:02pm

Pheasant Plucker wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:57pm:

People who live in Northern Ireland are entitled to hold an Irish passport!

Sorry not true if you were not born there 

you don’t qualify it’s people born on the island of Ireland  

Pheasant Plucker

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:12pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:12pm

Alan mac wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:02pm:

Sorry not true if you were not born there 

you don’t qualify it’s people born on the island of Ireland  

She said if your husband is from Northern Ireland then that is part of the UK and are subject to the 180 days. That is not the case. Citizens of Northern Ireland can hold Irish(EU) and UK passports.

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