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Alan mac

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:18pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:18pm

Pheasant Plucker wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:12pm:

She said if your husband is from Northern Ireland then that is part of the UK and are subject to the 180 days. That is not the case. Citizens of Northern Ireland can hold Irish(EU) and UK passports.

Only if they were born on the island of Ireland if you moved there from the mainland you would not be eligi

Pheasant Plucker

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:26pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:26pm

Alan mac wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:18pm:

Only if they were born on the island of Ireland if you moved there from the mainland you would not be eligi

Obviously ! 
‘If your husband is from Northern Ireland.”  Is what I was referring to. Northern Ireland is part of the Island of Ireland. It is also part of the UK. Best of both worlds really. I really don’t understand what point you are trying to make.

Alan mac

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:33pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:33pm

I’m trying to make the point that you were incorrect when you stated people living in NI were eligible for a NI passport. Simples !

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:47pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:47pm

Alan mac wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:33pm:

I’m trying to make the point that you were incorrect when you stated people living in NI were eligible for a NI passport. Simples !

Read the last paragraph in the original post.
I was just clarifying that people from Northern Ireland have the option of holding an Irish passport or a UK passport or both. The original poster thought that if you were from Northern Ireland you could only hold a UK passport. You seem to have missed this point entirely .

Alan mac

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:55pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:55pm

Really I don’t think so ! You made a statement which was incorrect and misleading and then stated it was obvious that you meant were born  on the island (which it isn’t )

As someone who is married to a joint U.K. and Irish citizen please  believe me I know the correct situation 

Thanks 

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Pheasant Plucker

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:18pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:18pm

Alan mac wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:55pm:

Really I don’t think so ! You made a statement which was incorrect and misleading and then stated it was obvious that you meant were born  on the island (which it isn’t )

As someone who is married to a joint U.K. and Irish citizen please  believe me I know the correct situation 

Thanks 

Semantics.

 By the way you do need to be born on the Island of Ireland to hold an Irish passport. If your parents, grand parents (even great grand parents in some cases) were Irish citizens then  you can apply for an Irish passport.

I rest my case.

LinPlant

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:16pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:16pm

Pheasant Plucker wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:47pm:

Read the last paragraph in the original post.
I was just clarifying that people from Northern Ireland have the option of holding an Irish passport or a UK passport or both. The original poster thought that if you were from Northern Ireland you could only hold a UK passport. You seem to have m...

...issed this point entirely .

I’m sorry, this isn’t worth arguing about.

Alan Mac is correct.

My husband IS Irish, I am British, Scottish actually, not that it makes any difference.

NI was never mentioned by me, I was the original poster.

I do know the law regarding who qualifies for an Irish passport.

It was getting clear guidance on how we both register for a period over 90 days that we couldn’t seem to find a clear answer to. 

Even if I was also Irish, this was an issue for us, as it applies to EU citizens, I just happen to not be Irish and mentioned it, only in case someone knew if it would be a different process.

I could apply for Irish Citizenship, I have lived in Ireland for almost 20 years, but the rules relating to that don’t suit me and for what I want to do, I don’t need to. 

As I say, I’d still need to register for longer stays.

I know some people don’t register, but I’m not interested in what some people do, but in what the law says I need to do and I got some great advice  

I know I can avail of the 90/180 rule if travelling alone and any time when I’m with my husband, it doesn’t count against that, we still have to register, or risk a Schengen ban and a fine. For us it’s not worth the risk. 

oadbyman

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:48pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:48pm

LinPlant wrote on Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:16pm:

I’m sorry, this isn’t worth arguing about.

Alan Mac is correct.

My husband IS Irish, I am British, Scottish actually, not that it makes any difference.

NI was never mentioned by me, I was the original poster.

I do know the law regarding who qualifies for an Irish passport.

It was getting clear guidance on how we both register for a period over 90 days that we couldn’t seem to find a clear answer to. 

Even if I was also Irish, this was an issue for us, as it applies to EU citizens, I just happen to not be Irish and mentioned it, only in case someone knew if it would be a different process.

I could apply for Irish Citizenship, I have lived in Ireland for almost 20 years, but the rules relating to that don’t suit me and for what I want to do, I don’t need to. 

As I say, I’d still need to register for longer stays.

I know some people don’t register, but I’m not interested in what some people do, but in what the law says I need to do and I got some great advice  

I know I can avail of the 90/180 rule if travelling alone and any time when I’m with my husband, it doesn’t count against that, we still have to register, or risk a Schengen ban and a fine. For us it’s not worth the risk. 

Well put.

I am English second generation Irish and have an Irish passport, my wife's passport is not stamped in France and Spain when entering on the ferry, but you have to be insistent.

You need to refer border Guards to the, a member of the  Irish Parliment pointed me in the right direction The Practical Handbook for Border Guards,  Section 2.1.2. I, I seached on 'To be noted'

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2022-11/Practical%20handbook%20for%20border%20guards_en.pdf


If you leave Spain and go to either Portugal or France it ends the time you are in Spain, when you return the clock starts again, it is only at 90 days you have to register, so you can travel in EU with up to 90 days per country and never register with the country, that is 1 day to 90 in a country.

beckfordburger

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:46pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:46pm

red99 wrote on Sun Oct 8, 2023 5:57pm:

As a bystander with an Irish Passport I understood that on or just before the 90 day limit one could leave say go to Morocco leaving Spain for say one day and then returning back in order to qualify for another 90 days.

True or False?

Thanks

John  

False.

It's 90 days withiin a rolling 180 period.

In your example, if you left Spain (Schengen) after, say 88 days and went to Morocco (non-Schengen) for week, as soon as you returned to Spain (Schengen), the clock would continue from 88.

3 days later you'd be over the limit and technically illegal.

To stay more than 90 days, an EU citizen must obtain an EU citizen's certificate (Certificado de Registro de Ciudadano de la Unión), in Spain, within the first 90 days. Click on the image to expand.

marcliff

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:15pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:15pm

beckfordburger wrote on Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:46pm:

False.

It's 90 days withiin a rolling 180 period.

In your example, if you left Spain (Schengen) after, say 88 days and went to Morocco (non-Schengen) for week, as soon as you returned to Spain (Schengen), the clock would continue from 88.

3 days later you'd be over the limit and technically illegal.

To stay more than 90 days, an EU citizen must obtain an EU citizen's certificate (Certificado de Registro de Ciudadano de la Unión), in Spain, within the first 90 days. Click on the image to expand.

The 90 days in 180 only applies to 3rd country citizens and not to EU citizens. 

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