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JMKCOM

Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2023 2:42pm

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Posted: Tue Mar 7, 2023 2:42pm

JMKCOM wrote on Tue Mar 7, 2023 2:33pm:

Hey Cate, thanks for getting in touch.

There are only 33 requirements for MIT eligibility, I have attached a link to the MIT guide book (in English). You'll be better able to judge whether your case meets those criteria after going through it (section 4 + glossary of terms)

Sorry Cate, I just noticed I wrote 33 requirements, you'll be glad to hear that's a typing mistake. It's just 3. 

All the best, John

Cat Roc

Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 10:00am

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Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 10:00am

JMKCOM wrote on Tue Mar 7, 2023 2:42pm:

Sorry Cate, I just noticed I wrote 33 requirements, you'll be glad to hear that's a typing mistake. It's just 3. 

All the best, John

That's better John! I was wondering about 'only' 33 :)

cheers

cate

JMKCOM

Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 10:09am

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Posted: Wed Mar 8, 2023 10:09am

Cat Roc wrote on Wed Mar 8, 2023 10:00am:

That's better John! I was wondering about 'only' 33 :)

cheers

cate

One of those face-palm moments when I re-read the message. Sorry about that. JK

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:17am

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:17am

JMKCOM wrote on Mon Mar 6, 2023 10:25am:

Hey everyone, if anyone can point me towards associations or groups of expats realted to illegal rural properties in the Orihuela and Catral general area I would appperciate it. I work for the Valencian governent and we will be having an event in orihuela sometime this month to explain how to leg...

...alise this type of property through and MIT licenses.

Thanks, John

Hi John ..

We are in nearby Murcia ..do you have any observations / contacts on how such matters differ or apply in that region as there are owners grouped and involved around these issues.

Thanks 

Mike

JMKCOM

Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:34am

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:34am

jorge1306 wrote on Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:17am:

Hi John ..

We are in nearby Murcia ..do you have any observations / contacts on how such matters differ or apply in that region as there are owners grouped and involved around these issues.

Thanks 

Mike

Hey Mike, if you'd said Andalucia I know a fair bit about the AFO they have there. I'll have a look this weekend at Murcia and get back to you. 

Cheers, JK

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:04am

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:04am

JMKCOM wrote on Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:34am:

Hey Mike, if you'd said Andalucia I know a fair bit about the AFO they have there. I'll have a look this weekend at Murcia and get back to you. 

Cheers, JK

Many thanks ..appreciated .

JMKCOM

Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:21pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:21pm

jorge1306 wrote on Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:04am:

Many thanks ..appreciated .

Hey Mike,

Just had a look at the Murcia webpage. Couldn't find anything related to that subject so my guess is they don't have a program.

https://www.murcia.es/web/urbanismo/impresos-y-solicitudes

Ask them to get in touch if they're interested in creating a model in linewith what we've done here in Valencia.

All the best, JK

JMKCOM

Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:54pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:54pm

jorge1306 wrote on Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:04am:

Many thanks ..appreciated .

Hey again, just read the planning legislation for Murcia (autonomic region)

file:///C:/Users/Usuario/Downloads/112020-Ley-13-ordenacion%20territorial%20y%20urban%C3%ADstica.pdf

Relevant articles below:

In summary, no special plan. 20,000m2 minimum on protected rural land, otherwise 10,000m2 or if the property built before 2001 5000m2. All of those would be standard legalization projects, not special plans. Meaning you would have to demonstrate compliance with standard technical code as well as the planning legislation. It's where we were pre 2019.

Artículo 95. Régimen de edificación y usos en suelo no urbanizable
protegido por el planeamiento o inadecuado para el desarrollo urbano.
1. Se autorizarán, mediante el título habilitante correspondiente, los usos y
construcciones permitidos por el Plan General, propios de cada zona y ligados a la
actividad productiva, a los que se refiere el apartado 3 del artículo 101, así como,
excepcionalmente, previo informe de la dirección general competente en materia
de urbanismo, los usos e instalaciones provisionales previstos en esta ley.
Para autorizar el uso de vivienda unifamiliar ligado a la actividad productiva
de la explotación, la superficie mínima de la explotación, entendida como
agrupación de predios que constituyan una unidad funcional, será al menos de
20.000 metros cuadrados en el suelo protegido.

En el suelo calificado como inadecuado, y siempre que sea zona de regadío,
esta superficie mínima será de 10.000 m², o de 5.000 m² si la finca hubiera
surgido en escritura pública de fecha anterior al 17 de junio de 2001

En el suelo calificado como inadecuado, y siempre que sea zona de regadío,
esta superficie mínima será de 10.000 m², o de 5.000 m² si la finca hubiera
surgido en escritura pública de fecha anterior al 17 de junio de 2001

JMKCOM

Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:01pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:01pm

jorge1306 wrote on Thu Mar 9, 2023 10:04am:

Many thanks ..appreciated .

Your rules about works allowed on illegal propertiees are more generous than ours: It allows you to do maintenance work which doesn't increase the compulsory purchase value of your property (so no extensions)

Artículo 112. Régimen de fuera de ordenación o de norma.
1. Los edificios e instalaciones erigidos con anterioridad a la aprobación del
planeamiento urbanístico que resultaren sustancialmente disconformes con las
determinaciones del mismo serán considerados fuera de ordenación.
NPE: A-060415-4098Página 13480Número 77Lunes, 6 de abril de 2015
2. El planeamiento señalará aquellos supuestos en que será de aplicación
este régimen de fuera de ordenación y fijará los márgenes de tolerancia precisos
para ajustar su alcance a las edificaciones incompatibles con la ordenación, que
deberán quedar identificadas en el plan.
Entre estos supuestos deberán incluirse en todo caso las edificaciones
que impidan la ejecución de los viales y dotaciones públicas previstas en el
planeamiento.
3.Nopodr

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:32am

JMKCOM wrote on Tue Mar 7, 2023 10:51am:

Thanks Kim,

Any help is greatly appreciated. I understand the circumspect nature of the reply perfectly.

Yesterday I was flicking through the forum, I was shocked at the dangerously inaccurate/ untrue information in relation to property matters. Answers to potential buyers questions about their fears of...

... losing their life savings if they buy an illegal property, saying things like "just takes 12-18 months to legalise a property" (not through MIT, just "legalise a property" through magic I suppose), another one "my lawyer just paid to stop/ get rid of the demolition order", another one said so long as a property has an occupation license it's legal... pages and pages of really dangerous patently untrue stuff.

I'm worried that after all that's happened, over so many years, potential buyers and existing are still getting fed to the wolves by misinformation on these forums. Surely between us we can provide that minimal protection. Open to any ideas.

All the best, John

Hello John, the properties in the campo are still being sold even with the uncertainty that they are legal. Local estate agents are clearly getting around the situation by using loopholes or fake documents. A friend explained that a document called Decleraciones Responsibales could be getting used as a loophole? Can a DR be used to sell an oldish country house - replacing the Habitation certificate? Seems a bit peculiar to me.

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