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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:18pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:18pm

I think Cheryl's right on this, our house wasn't habitable when we bought it and that was reflected in the price, if you have something from the estate agent saying something along the lines of "ready to move in" then you might have a case.

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:22pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:22pm

Cheryl wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:00pm:

I think a lot may depend on the description of a property, if it says for reform then it means what it says and if this is the case I don't think you will have a very strong argument to demand a refund. ALL estate agents will do the same, everything is easy in their world and nothing is a problem...

... because their job is to sell the property, end of.

Many older properties have not been professionally updated since the day they were built, things are patched up, covered over, bodged and most will need a full rewire at the very least. If you see part tiled walls they could well be covering up damp and the more you delve into it the more nasty surprises you will find. Even the very walls of the building could be made up of all sorts of things including stones, rocks, part bricks, paper or plastic bags stuffed in gaps, have a look out for buildings where the render has come off the walls, it is a real eye opener.


The survey says smoke inhalation risk so the place is uninhabitable. Can't get more conclusive than that.

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:28pm

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Relyat wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:31am:

Sorry to hear about this. 

Just out of interest, was the Casitas employee Spanish or English and if you don't mind telling, who is the surveyor? 

Hope you get at least something out of this. 

Spanish. The surveyor is Mark Paddon. He has done consultancy work for GB TV progs. He is 100% pukka, licensed etc, comes with all the gear, and his report is over 30 pages. He is NOT cheap. But any questions, he answers on WhatsApp the same day.

Never EVER use surveyors recommended by the estate agent.

NB you have SIX months to claim for vicios ocultos or unseen faults from the seller. BY LAW. And before the sale you can ask for the costs of making good to be taken off the price. Mark told me this.

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FCFradet wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:28pm:

Spanish. The surveyor is Mark Paddon. He has done consultancy work for GB TV progs. He is 100% pukka, licensed etc, comes with all the gear, and his report is over 30 pages. He is NOT cheap. But any questions, he answers on WhatsApp the same day.

Never EVER use surveyors recommended by the estate agent....

...

NB you have SIX months to claim for vicios ocultos or unseen faults from the seller. BY LAW. And before the sale you can ask for the costs of making good to be taken off the price. Mark told me this.

Thanks, I know Casitas and the person in question. 

Never heard of the surveyor and hopefully I'll not have cause to either. 

Good luck with this. 

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:46pm

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Herefordjack wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:32am:

I don't know the answer to your question, but I presume the surveyor has the survey saved on his computer, in which case it would take two minutes to run it through Google Translate and print off a Spanish version.

He's already replied that he'll send it in word. Mark Paddon. Am pleased with him. Really thorough.

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:48pm

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Paul wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:18pm:

I think Cheryl's right on this, our house wasn't habitable when we bought it and that was reflected in the price, if you have something from the estate agent saying something along the lines of "ready to move in" then you might have a case.

Vicios ocultos (that are not visible) are grounds to end the contract pre-sale or ask the seller to reduce the price accordingly. And post-sale to ask the seller to make good. By law. You have six months to find them AFTER you buy.

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:50pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:50pm

Paul wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:18pm:

I think Cheryl's right on this, our house wasn't habitable when we bought it and that was reflected in the price, if you have something from the estate agent saying something along the lines of "ready to move in" then you might have a case.

And yes, it's "ready to move in", just death by carbon monoxide poisoning (neighbour's flue).

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:53pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:53pm

FCFradet wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:50pm:

And yes, it's "ready to move in", just death by carbon monoxide poisoning (neighbour's flue).

That's not what I was saying, there's a lot of properties in Spain that are not fit for habitation but anything can be fixed and if the price reflects the fact that work is needed, it's fair enough, however if it was being sold as ready to move in then it's another matter.

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Peter3473 wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:11am:

Well done to you, move along and hopefully this lesson learned will put you in good stead, But if you can get a copy of the report in Spanish (Herefordjack) from your surveyor, Deliver it personally to the agent and demand your money back and then just walk away, good luck my friend and stand you...

...r ground for future reference, you are not the first and certainly will not be the last.  

If you do deliver the survey by hand try and do it when there are other clients in the office, and make a big production out of it! 

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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:23pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:23pm

Herefordjack wrote on Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:32am:

I don't know the answer to your question, but I presume the surveyor has the survey saved on his computer, in which case it would take two minutes to run it through Google Translate and print off a Spanish version.

...great advice...and see if you can place it before a notaire...all creds help.

Best wishes,

D&J

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