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Squatters - what to do??

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:10pm
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Rob

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Hello Foks

Any advise or suggestions would be most welcome.

My wife and I inherited a small olive farm with a basic cottage just outside Val de Ebo in 2016, not far from the river and potholes. The cottage was seriously vandalised prior to us taking over the property. From 2016 - early 2019 we invested a lot of money and time as a family into fixing up and securing our cottage, and equipping it with the basics to function as an off-grid bolt hole for our family holidays. Due to covid  and limitations to travel from the UK, and my wife's terminal cancer, we were unable to visit the property from Feb 2019 - late 2020. In May 2020, a Spanish couple and their pack of 5 dogs decided to break in and squat. Our onsite camera alerted us to the break in two days after their arrival, and we immediately notified the police in Pego. The police visited our property that same day, and left saying there is nothing they can do to evict the couple unless we have photographic evidence of their break in. We didn't have this evidence unfortunately. The squatters have now been in our cottage for over a year, and have taken possession of all our belongings. How do we now get our cottage and property back? 

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:07pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:07pm

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Seems like a reasonable idea to me.

Kimmy11

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:07pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:07pm

Hi Rob,

I'm very sorry to hear of your circumstances.  Unfortunately, squatters seem to have greater rights than property owners in Spain.  Presumably, you can provide proof of ownership with the original Deeds for your property?  Nevertheless, be prepared for the squatters to provide a rental agreement for the property, even though the landlord won't appear to be you - a typical ploy.  I'm afraid that, this long after the squatters took possession, your only legal route is to engage a lawyer and take them to court, but expect the squatters to frustrate the legal process wherever they can.  The law changed in 2018, supposedly making it quicker to evict squatters, but in the examples I've heard of recently, it's still taken years, rather than months for the rightful owner to reclaim their property.

https://costaluzlawyers.es/blog/squatters-rights-vs-owners-right-a-common-clash-in-spain/

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Kim

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:59pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:59pm

The only legal way to get rid of squatters is applying for an injunction. This must be done bu the legal owner in person providing proof of ownmership and requesting so called "medidas preventivas".

Rob

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:43pm

Rob

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:43pm

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Great advise thanks, thinking about it I could head over there in a few weeks time, and pick up some Aldicarb, meat, and a cricket bat from Decathalon en route. Is the legal route a waste of time then?

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Rob

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:50pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:50pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:07pm:

Hi Rob,

I'm very sorry to hear of your circumstances.  Unfortunately, squatters seem to have greater rights than property owners in Spain.  Presumably, you can provide proof of ownership with the original Deeds for your property?  Nevertheless, be prepared for the squatters to provide a re...

...ntal agreement for the property, even though the landlord won't appear to be you - a typical ploy.  I'm afraid that, this long after the squatters took possession, your only legal route is to engage a lawyer and take them to court, but expect the squatters to frustrate the legal process wherever they can.  The law changed in 2018, supposedly making it quicker to evict squatters, but in the examples I've heard of recently, it's still taken years, rather than months for the rightful owner to reclaim their property.

https://costaluzlawyers.es/blog/squatters-rights-vs-owners-right-a-common-clash-in-spain/

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Kim

Hi Kim

Thank you for taking your time to send me this reply. Quick question if I may, do the squatters get rights to the property if they haven't been evicted over a period of years?

much appreciated.

Martyn1986

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:39pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:39pm

Rob wrote on Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:43pm:

Great advise thanks, thinking about it I could head over there in a few weeks time, and pick up some Aldicarb, meat, and a cricket bat from Decathalon en route. Is the legal route a waste of time then?

Completely. Depending on your moral compass, in their complete state of shock you could pretty much ask them for anything.

Kimmy11

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:43pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:43pm

Hi Rob,

No, they don't - the record at the Land Registry can't be changed without the appropriate, notarised documentation being submitted.  In the case of the property on our urb, the original owners died and, because there was an outstanding mortgage on the property, the children chose not to inherit.  Ownership therefore defaulted to the mortgage provider, in this case, Sabadell bank.  We know that the case is on a long list of court cases waiting to be heard, but Spanish bureaucracy is notoriously slow.

There's another member who has, quite recently, successfully managed to evict squatters from a property in Calpe, who it may be useful for you to have a chat with - his username is Keith001, if you want to send him a private message.  He and I have chatted previously about this subject matter, so please tell him I recommended you to contact him.

Kind regards, 

Kim

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:20am

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:20am

Rob wrote on Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:10pm:

Hello Foks

Any advise or suggestions would be most welcome.

My wife and I inherited a small olive farm with a basic cottage just outside Val de Ebo in 2016, not far from the river and potholes. The cottage was seriously vandalised prior to us taking over the property. From 2016 - early 2019 we invested a lot of money and time as a family into fixing up and securing our cottage, and equipping it with the basics to function as an off-grid bolt hole for our family holidays. Due to covid  and limitations to travel from the UK, and my wife's terminal cancer, we were unable to visit the property from Feb 2019 - late 2020. In May 2020, a Spanish couple and their pack of 5 dogs decided to break in and squat. Our onsite camera alerted us to the break in two days after their arrival, and we immediately notified the police in Pego. The police visited our property that same day, and left saying there is nothing they can do to evict the couple unless we have photographic evidence of their break in. We didn't have this evidence unfortunately. The squatters have now been in our cottage for over a year, and have taken possession of all our belongings. How do we now get our cottage and property back? 

Very hard now Rob to shift them especially if they’re elderly. Once 48hrs is up they know to dig in. The current mishmash of a government is enabling this. 

I witnessed a squatting attempt in person in Torrevieja last month where a gang broke in by day & arrived in the evening with a family ready to move in. The neighbours & president of the Urbanisation knowing the elderly Uk owners weren’t there since Covid spotted a light on & checked and found a shutter ripped off & window broken. They actually had the police there investigating when the would be squatters arrived with fake rental agreement in hand. The Eastern European gang themselves who broke in parked down the street though watching the commotion. 

The paperwork didn’t stack up though thanks to the neighbours & President & the police sent the family packing. House has since been secured & alarmed.

There are firms who specialise in removing unwanted squatters, Desokupa being one of the more famous ones with a YouTube & Facebook page but this can be costly. 

They have different methods but aremostly non-forceful offering money to squatters to leave & will stand outside the property blocking it if they don’t. 

I heard a new one from a locksmith there recently where he changed locks for one particular firm who had just recovered a property for absentee owners by standing 2 men for a good number of days on the doorstep.

They didn’t prevent any of the 3 squatters leaving when they wanted to but never allowed them or anybody else either back in. Eventually the last one left after a few days & no money they say changed hands. 

That’s are some of your options Rob.

Best of luck. 

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:28am

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:28am

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