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1000s leaving Spain

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:35pm
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john 12

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As a homeowner in Pilar but unable to claim residency due to Brexit, i would like to say to those rushing back to Britain to think carefully on what they are doing,as  generally all is not well here. With shortages of  petrol /supermarket  groceries/and an increasing cost of living also a weak government with no idea how to deal with illegal immigration from france.Personally If I could  I would move to Spain permenetly. 

Steve6

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:48pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:48pm

Brexit IDIOTS

tebo53

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:57pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:57pm

john 12 wrote on Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:35pm:

As a homeowner in Pilar but unable to claim residency due to Brexit, i would like to say to those rushing back to Britain to think carefully on what they are doing,as  generally all is not well here. With shortages of  petrol /supermarket  groceries/and an increasing cost of living...

... also a weak government with no idea how to deal with illegal immigration from france.Personally If I could  I would move to Spain permenetly. 

I think you may find that the people (1000's ??) who are leaving Spain are those who have lived hear for years and never bothered to get residency. I don't think that any permanent residents are just leaving for no reason! Why would they? 

Steve 

Pix Elated

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:23pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:23pm

john 12 wrote on Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:35pm:

As a homeowner in Pilar but unable to claim residency due to Brexit, i would like to say to those rushing back to Britain to think carefully on what they are doing,as  generally all is not well here. With shortages of  petrol /supermarket  groceries/and an increasing cost of living...

... also a weak government with no idea how to deal with illegal immigration from france.Personally If I could  I would move to Spain permenetly. 

It's not much better here in Spain we a have a coalition government who struggle to get any reforms through,  and if they are lucky enough to then the regions wont implement the changes. ( source El Pais).

Here on Orihuela Costa Bascunana has been charged with embezzlement. All they keep doing is building more and more properties with no infrastructure to support the extra demand on services such as health & roads, even though Spain has a huge number of empty properties that have been standing empty for years, which means the services for residents are getting worse and worse.The price of electricity went through the roof in Spain months ago, food prices have been on the rise for sometime, likewise the cost of fuel. Staff are leaving in droves from both Torrevieja Hospital and what few health centres we have due to the running of the hospital and health centres being handed back to the ministry of health, 200 temporary staff contracts were terminated a few days ago, resulting in wards being closed.

A large ugly apartment block is being built in Punta Prima with one small road allowing access to the N332, which is going to be more congested than it currently is if that is possible. At the current rate of building on the coast there wont be any coast left. Since roughly 2014 council owned land situated in Orihuela Costa has been sold by the council raising in excess of well over €25,000,000 which has been added to the coffers of the municipality. This figure is substantially less than originally anticipated netting far less than their true values so basically sold off at greatly reduced prices. What else could be expected when selling land for construction when the economy was recovering from the bottom  of the biggest recession Spain had seen in years. The present administration are totally ignorant about the needs of those of us who live on the coast and decided in their wisdom that the land was surplus to requirements and would raise much needed funds that could be invested in new projects but not for Orihuela Costa. When it comes down to it wherever we live only one thing matters MONEY certainly not people.

jm0452

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:45pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:45pm

In the North West of England the supermarket are full there's no one queuing for petrol don't believe everything you read in the newspapers as it's clickbait

John 52

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:44am

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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:44am

Pix Elated wrote on Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:23pm:

It's not much better here in Spain we a have a coalition government who struggle to get any reforms through,  and if they are lucky enough to then the regions wont implement the changes. ( source El Pais).

Here on Orihuela Costa Bascunana has been charged with embezzlement. All they keep doing is building more and more properties with no infrastructure to support the extra demand on services such as health & roads, even though Spain has a huge number of empty properties that have been standing ...

...empty for years, which means the services for residents are getting worse and worse.The price of electricity went through the roof in Spain months ago, food prices have been on the rise for sometime, likewise the cost of fuel. Staff are leaving in droves from both Torrevieja Hospital and what few health centres we have due to the running of the hospital and health centres being handed back to the ministry of health, 200 temporary staff contracts were terminated a few days ago, resulting in wards being closed.

A large ugly apartment block is being built in Punta Prima with one small road allowing access to the N332, which is going to be more congested than it currently is if that is possible. At the current rate of building on the coast there wont be any coast left. Since roughly 2014 council owned land situated in Orihuela Costa has been sold by the council raising in excess of well over €25,000,000 which has been added to the coffers of the municipality. This figure is substantially less than originally anticipated netting far less than their true values so basically sold off at greatly reduced prices. What else could be expected when selling land for construction when the economy was recovering from the bottom  of the biggest recession Spain had seen in years. The present administration are totally ignorant about the needs of those of us who live on the coast and decided in their wisdom that the land was surplus to requirements and would raise much needed funds that could be invested in new projects but not for Orihuela Costa. When it comes down to it wherever we live only one thing matters MONEY certainly not people.

Congratulations on giving an unbiased view of Spain  ,I think there are too many on here who are blinded by the sunshine in Spain and many appear to be very bitter regarding the UK leaving EU ,this maybe down to the fact that many have been forced into residency  when prior to 1st January  they could come and go as they pleased ,there are faults in every country ,some with more than others and regards settling in a foreign land it's not one size fits all

oldmaninacap

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:17am

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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:17am

jm0452 wrote on Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:45pm:

In the North West of England the supermarket are full there's no one queuing for petrol don't believe everything you read in the newspapers as it's clickbait

in the south and south east it was true, if you wanted fuel you had to find out which station was having a delivery and at what time, usually earlier hours of the morning you would have to go get in the 30 - 40 car queue and wait for an hour or 2 and supermarkets were running out of certain foods, there has also been a shortage of building materials among other things, apparently this is due to driver shortages as foreign drivers are not allowed to do any domestic work anymore.

Martyn1986

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:05pm

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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:05pm

Tbh I asked my family in North east of England and they said that they are getting fuel without any problems what so ever and all supermarket shelves are still stocked, although slightly less they can shop without any issues. Down south of england maybe worse but thats who mainly voted brexit so its their fault and their problem. 

I think people who are leaving spain or not buying anymore is probably for many different reasons not solely due to brexit. Now more people are travelling further a field for the same cost as travelling to Spain, i actually paid 500 pound for my wife and daughter to go to America for 2weeks for example. I love Spain but the world has so much now for tourists and second home owners, Spain unfortunately not so much. 

Englishtom

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:07am

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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:07am

There is no queing for petrol anymore. At least not the last 2 times ive been . People i know are selling up in spain are  in their late 60s to 80s and have been here years. 

Gary

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:51pm

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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:51pm

Englishtom wrote on Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:07am:

There is no queing for petrol anymore. At least not the last 2 times ive been . People i know are selling up in spain are  in their late 60s to 80s and have been here years. 

Just wondering about all those 60s to 80s you mention that have been here for years, did they ever get their residency and healthcare etc in order ? If they were eligible for a UK state pension then they would have been eligible for an S1 form issued by the UK, this as I'm sure many people know would have allowed them to access the Spanish healthcare system free of charge.

  

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