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Cookep1

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:06pm

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Gemily1 wrote on Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:54pm:

This figure of 65000 deaths in the UK from covid-19 where do you get those figures from, last I heard it was rounded down to low 40000s due to the fact that people who had proved positive for covid died later of something else, but was still recorded as dying of covid-19 even when they hadn't. An...

...y death from this virus is to much.

It's the ONS figure for excess deaths during the period since March. The government figures are all over the show as they keep changing the methodology and of course there's a time lag on the data, which varies between the 4 UK countries. 

The ONS figure for excess deaths is the number of deaths recorded above the 5yr average, which is currently 17,000 pa. It is not separated into cause of death, but but Covid-19 is the only abnormality in this period. 

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:37am

Cookep1 wrote on Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:32pm:

There is no evidenced what caused the addition 25,,000+ deaths so there is no way the BBC or anyone else can say they're not Covid-19 related. But with nothing else in the frame, Covid-19 is the most likely cause.

As for GAVI, I did look them up not FAVI? I also looked at their list of partners, as stated. So it seems you're disquiet about funding is just conspiracy theory? ...

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As for Gates, look up philanthropist. Gates has signed away his entire fortune to help third world countries, and persuaded many of his friends to do the same. Is that a bad thing in your view? Would you prefer children in 3rd world didn't receive vaccination against diseases that the developed world has largely eradicated through vaccines?

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UK contributions also have played a critical role in ensuring that the global response is funded and fit for purpose. The Government has pledged over £388m towards the global $8bn (USD) funding call for vaccines, therapeutics and diagnostics. This includes the largest contribution of any country to the Coalition Epidemic Preparedness Innovations appeal, which is leading efforts to develop a COVID-19 vaccine. The UK will also provide £330m a year for the next five years to the Global Vaccine Alliance (Gavi), making the UK the world’s largest donor and readying Gavi to distribute a COVID-19 vaccine in developing countries. Looking ahead, the UK is also hosting the Global Vaccine Summit on 4 June, which will replenish Gavi’s funds for the next 5 years. 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/884760/Our_plan_to_rebuild_The_UK_Government_s_COVID-19_recovery_strategy.pdf

Above is the link to Boris.s action plan where he outlines his plans to fund Gavi to the the tune of £1.5 billion over five years, its on page 44 section 12 International Action And Awareness.

I trust you will come up with some factual based evidence about Bill Gates eradication of diseases in third world countries,and Bill and his friends giving away huge personal fortunes, we wouldn't want people to think you are a conspiracy theorist, would we ?

Tell you what i would like to see, is all the billions and billions of dollars pounds and  euros, that are poured into searching for a vaccine, diverted to third world countries, to help with fresh clean drinking water, irrigation so they can farm and  help to feed themselves, give them a start a helping hand instead of destroying them to steal there wealth of natural minerals.

Truth seeker 

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:51am

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Mark578 wrote on Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:37am:

UK contributions also have played a critical role in ensuring that the global response is funded and fit for purpose. The Government has pledged over £388m towards the global $8bn (USD) funding call for vaccines, therapeutics and diagnostics. This includes the largest contribution of any count...

...ry to the Coalition Epidemic Preparedness Innovations appeal, which is leading efforts to develop a COVID-19 vaccine. The UK will also provide £330m a year for the next five years to the Global Vaccine Alliance (Gavi), making the UK the world’s largest donor and readying Gavi to distribute a COVID-19 vaccine in developing countries. Looking ahead, the UK is also hosting the Global Vaccine Summit on 4 June, which will replenish Gavi’s funds for the next 5 years. 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/884760/Our_plan_to_rebuild_The_UK_Government_s_COVID-19_recovery_strategy.pdf

Above is the link to Boris.s action plan where he outlines his plans to fund Gavi to the the tune of £1.5 billion over five years, its on page 44 section 12 International Action And Awareness.

I trust you will come up with some factual based evidence about Bill Gates eradication of diseases in third world countries,and Bill and his friends giving away huge personal fortunes, we wouldn't want people to think you are a conspiracy theorist, would we ?

Tell you what i would like to see, is all the billions and billions of dollars pounds and  euros, that are poured into searching for a vaccine, diverted to third world countries, to help with fresh clean drinking water, irrigation so they can farm and  help to feed themselves, give them a start a helping hand instead of destroying them to steal there wealth of natural minerals.

Truth seeker 

I agree with most of this, apart from Bill Gates: se below 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge

Paul

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:38am

Cookep1 wrote on Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:51am:

I agree with most of this, apart from Bill Gates: se below 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge

Paul

You or I can put stuff about people on Wikipedia, all you have to do is log in and create your own page, it’s not been a trusted source of information for a long time. 

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:12am

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Why do you find it so hard to believe that people do thing for purely altruistic reasons? If not some conspiracy theory about Gates/Buffet then what?

Take a look at the giving pledge website (linked on the wiki page). Hundreds of the worlds richest people, from countries around the globe, pledging to give the majority of their wealth to charities & philanthropic causes. Why is their selflessness bad?

I'm no billionaire but my wife and I were fortunate to be able to retire young. We now both give substantial amounts of our time to unpaid work in education, hospitals and charities. Why is it difficult to understand people who are able wanting to give something back; not for personal gain but because they can?

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:36am

Cookep1 wrote on Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:12am:

Why do you find it so hard to believe that people do thing for purely altruistic reasons? If not some conspiracy theory about Gates/Buffet then what?

Take a look at the giving pledge website (linked on the wiki page). Hundreds of the worlds richest people, from countries around the globe, pledging to give the majority of their wealth to charities & philanthropic causes. Why is their selflessness bad?...

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I'm no billionaire but my wife and I were fortunate to be able to retire young. We now both give substantial amounts of our time to unpaid work in education, hospitals and charities. Why is it difficult to understand people who are able wanting to give something back; not for personal gain but because they can?

Paul

I’m not disputing that some do, just not Bill Gates, he is a very evil person and so is his wife, he’s a major shareholder In numerous vaccine manufacturers, has been thrown out of a fair few countries, for causing damage with his vaccines. Ie, Kenya India Philippines Syria, and others. Vaccines aren’t made for love of humanity these days they are made for pure profit. Believe it or not most vaccine makers have criminal records, 

mostly for fraud and deception, and have paid out billions in fines GSK whom gates invests in have paid out billions them selves, including the largest fine ever of $3.1 billion, just have a quick google for Pandemrix, that was the rushed out swine flu vaccine a few years ago. Sir Patrick Vallance will know all about that, because he worked for them at the time 

If you believe gates is a good chap and vaccines are safe, that’s fine I respect that, but once you go down the rabbit hole to find out for sure, you will be unpleasantly surprised how bad they are and what they actually contain. I had a pizza restaurant for 20 years, I had to list and have information for every ingredient that could cause an allergic reaction, failure to do so was £10000 fine and or three months in prison 

A doctor can give anybody a brand new vaccine without knowing the ingredients, any adverse reaction, he is indemnified against harm or injury 

Anyway 

Enjoy your retirement, my plans were to retire peacefully to Gran Alacant, 

Mark 

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Mark578 wrote on Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:36am:

I’m not disputing that some do, just not Bill Gates, he is a very evil person and so is his wife, he’s a major shareholder In numerous vaccine manufacturers, has been thrown out of a fair few countries, for causing damage with his vaccines. Ie, Kenya India Philippines Syria, and others. Vacci...

...nes aren’t made for love of humanity these days they are made for pure profit. Believe it or not most vaccine makers have criminal records, 

mostly for fraud and deception, and have paid out billions in fines GSK whom gates invests in have paid out billions them selves, including the largest fine ever of $3.1 billion, just have a quick google for Pandemrix, that was the rushed out swine flu vaccine a few years ago. Sir Patrick Vallance will know all about that, because he worked for them at the time 

If you believe gates is a good chap and vaccines are safe, that’s fine I respect that, but once you go down the rabbit hole to find out for sure, you will be unpleasantly surprised how bad they are and what they actually contain. I had a pizza restaurant for 20 years, I had to list and have information for every ingredient that could cause an allergic reaction, failure to do so was £10000 fine and or three months in prison 

A doctor can give anybody a brand new vaccine without knowing the ingredients, any adverse reaction, he is indemnified against harm or injury 

Anyway 

Enjoy your retirement, my plans were to retire peacefully to Gran Alacant, 

Mark 

I think we'll have yo agree to disagree on Gates & vaccines. 

"my plans were to retire peacefully to Gran Alacant". I hope this doesn't mean you've had to abandon your plans? Spain's a lovely place to spend time, either in retirement or for regular long stays; as we did prior to Covid-19. 

In any case I hope it works out for you abd wish you well

Paul

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