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mrocharde wrote on Wed Sep 7, 2022 3:58pm:
No, I shan't amend a work of mine because someone considers it to be racist.
You are stubborn !
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Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2022 4:09pm
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GerryJ wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 12:17pm:
Apologies, if my understanding of the situation is wrong, but it was my understanding that anyone registered in the UK within the previous 15 years had a vote. That notwithstanding, any 'winter' residents definitely had a vote, and I've met a few who voted to leave... 2 of whom who are now perman...
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...ent residents. To be fair, both now regret the decision to vote leave
You could well be right. I'd lived in the uS for 35 years before moving to Spain, so I may well have been misinformed.
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2022 4:26pm
mrocharde wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 4:09pm:
You could well be right. I'd lived in the uS for 35 years before moving to Spain, so I may well have been misinformed.
So you lived in the US, then moved to Spain. Why would you be concerned with how the British voted in the referendum? Why do you think people that don’t live in the UK should have a more powerful voice than those who do?
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2022 8:27pm
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Privatekid wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 4:26pm:
So you lived in the US, then moved to Spain. Why would you be concerned with how the British voted in the referendum? Why do you think people that don’t live in the UK should have a more powerful voice than those who do?
Actually I've lived in 7 countries, including the UK where I was born, and where my roots are. This means that I have much more of a world view than most people, and every right in the world to comment, especially on things English, in any way, shape or form that I choose to. As to your comment about people who live in the UK should have more of a vote, you're absolutely wrong. Anybody who has a British passport, no matter where they choose to domicile themselves, should have equal say in things that affect them. And in this particular case, the ramifications are potentially much more severe for them than people in the UK who come to Europe occasionally. However, and more to the point, why should you be concerned about my particular point of view. If you have a point that you'd like to discuss, I'm always open to such a discussion, but instead you chose to be offensive and dismissive at the same time; whether you see it that way, or not, is irrelevant.
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2022 9:19pm
mrocharde wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 8:27pm:
Actually I've lived in 7 countries, including the UK where I was born, and where my roots are. This means that I have much more of a world view than most people, and every right in the world to comment, especially on things English, in any way, shape or form that I choose to. As to yo...
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...ur comment about people who live in the UK should have more of a vote, you're absolutely wrong. Anybody who has a British passport, no matter where they choose to domicile themselves, should have equal say in things that affect them. And in this particular case, the ramifications are potentially much more severe for them than people in the UK who come to Europe occasionally. However, and more to the point, why should you be concerned about my particular point of view. If you have a point that you'd like to discuss, I'm always open to such a discussion, but instead you chose to be offensive and dismissive at the same time; whether you see it that way, or not, is irrelevant.
I believe those who have a vested interest, should be entitled to a vote. For someone that has no real interest in the UK except to have been born there and has an ability to communicate in the same language, should they have say? When it really doesn’t affect the way they live their lives, in the way it may affect those that live with the result of their vote, in Britain. Did the fact that Britain wasn’t a part of the USA affect your life for the years you lived there? But you still lived a full life I’m sure.
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Privatekid wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 9:19pm:
I believe those who have a vested interest, should be entitled to a vote. For someone that has no real interest in the UK except to have been born there and has an ability to communicate in the same language, should they have say? When it really doesn’t affect the way they live their lives, in ...
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...the way it may affect those that live with the result of their vote, in Britain. Did the fact that Britain wasn’t a part of the USA affect your life for the years you lived there? But you still lived a full life I’m sure.
I interject (if you don´t mind) In order to answer your points (quotes):
Q: I believe those who have a vested interest, should be entitled to a vote.
A: I having lived here Spain) for over 20 yrs was disfranchised. [IE:] No right to vote in the UK 2016 referendum & subsequent vote.
Q: For someone that has no real interest in the UK except to have been born there and has an ability to communicate in the same language.
A: I can speak English & serviced that [UK] government receiving both state (DWP) & UK government pensions & UK taxes paid.
I can not answer to others which may have worked in other parts of the world.
Q: When it really doesn’t affect the way they live their lives, in the way it may affect those that live with the result of their vote.
A: I chose to live in this planet in where I now chose to live. Some of my family live in the UK. I had no vote.
I do not understand the validity of your points.
With respect.
V
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2022 10:06pm
Villas wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 9:59pm:
I interject (if you don´t mind) In order to answer your points (quotes):
Q: I believe those who have a vested interest, should be entitled to a vote.
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A: I having lived here Spain) for over 20 yrs was disfranchised. [IE:] No right to vote in the UK 2016 referendum & subsequent vote.
Q: For someone that has no real interest in the UK except to have been born there and has an ability to communicate in the same language.
A: I can speak English & serviced that [UK] government receiving both state (DWP) & UK government pensions & UK taxes paid.
I can not answer to others which may have worked in other parts of the world.
Q: When it really doesn’t affect the way they live their lives, in the way it may affect those that live with the result of their vote.
A: I chose to live in this planet in where I now chose to live. Some of my family live in the UK. I had no vote.
I do not understand the validity of your points.
With respect.
V
I’m sure your family, that live in the UK had their vote. After all, it was their lives that would be affected the most. Someone that moved away many, many years ago, shouldn’t be able to dictate how your families future should lie. If they wanted to remain, but a million more in Australia for 20 years wanted to leave, would you have still felt it was important that they should be entitled to choose the future of your family?
Privatekid wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 10:06pm:
I’m sure your family, that live in the UK had their vote. After all, it was their lives that would be affected the most. Someone that moved away many, many years ago, shouldn’t be able to dictate how your families future should lie. If they wanted to remain, but a million more in Australia fo...
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...r 20 years wanted to leave, would you have still felt it was important that they should be entitled to choose the future of your family?
Yes. (Although without you answering my points)
& (because of the sad news) Through the ups and downs of [UK] HM Queen Elizabeth II & her hard work and longevity won her deep admiration across the United Kingdom, Europe, the world, my family in UK & Spain included.
V
Posted: Fri Sep 9, 2022 8:45am
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Privatekid wrote on Thu Sep 8, 2022 9:19pm:
I believe those who have a vested interest, should be entitled to a vote. For someone that has no real interest in the UK except to have been born there and has an ability to communicate in the same language, should they have say? When it really doesn’t affect the way they live their lives, in ...
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...the way it may affect those that live with the result of their vote, in Britain. Did the fact that Britain wasn’t a part of the USA affect your life for the years you lived there? But you still lived a full life I’m sure.
Whatever entitles you to form an opinion, without knowing anything about me, that I have no interest in what goes on in the UK? Whether I live there or not, England is my home, and will always be so. As to your point about Australia, they would certainly be less affected by what happens in the UK, and maybe it would have been only fair to those who were living in the EU to have their votes counted and voices heard. I stand by the sentiments expressed in my satirical poem, Brexit, which started this thread. Having looked back through the messages you've posted on it so far, I fail to understand why you felt the need to interject irrelevance into the discussion, and then continued to do so when called out on it. Perhaps you are just one of these people who are convinced of their own righteouness on every subject, and thus have to say something.
Posted: Fri Sep 9, 2022 9:46am
mrocharde wrote on Fri Sep 9, 2022 8:45am:
Whatever entitles you to form an opinion, without knowing anything about me, that I have no interest in what goes on in the UK? Whether I live there or not, England is my home, and will always be so. As to your point about Australia, they would certainly be less affected by what happe...
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...ns in the UK, and maybe it would have been only fair to those who were living in the EU to have their votes counted and voices heard. I stand by the sentiments expressed in my satirical poem, Brexit, which started this thread. Having looked back through the messages you've posted on it so far, I fail to understand why you felt the need to interject irrelevance into the discussion, and then continued to do so when called out on it. Perhaps you are just one of these people who are convinced of their own righteouness on every subject, and thus have to say something.
There are many countries where an opposing view isn’t welcome, Russia, China, North Korea, to name a few. Fortunately in Britain all sides of an argument are allowed to be heard. I am from Germany, live in Britain and had a 2nd home in Santa Pola. (Lost it recently because of Covid)
I was against Brexit, until I heard the arrogance and hatred from a few remainers. I listened to their opinions but noticed they refused to hear the other side, merely mocking them and suggesting they didn’t know what they were talking about. I listened, researched, educated myself and had my vote, after deciding what way was best for Britain, as opposed to just me and a handful of people who had their own selfish reasons.
You have every opportunity, on these pages, to put your view across.
Obviously I’m not, according to you and a few others, if my view is different.
I’ll bid you good day, and turn off my notifications on this thread.
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