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Boca J

Posted: Tue Sep 7, 2021 7:50pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 7, 2021 7:50pm

the ashes 40 wrote on Tue Sep 7, 2021 7:36pm:

I would be interested to know your opinion on what the Spanish government are doing right ? 

They have deferred all responsibility to regional areas ? resulting in hugely varying rules with complex and some very strange conditions. 

Hindsight is always the best foresight and nobody can claim to have got it all right, 

My family in the UK have taken it as serious as us here, and are still wearing masks and limiting contact.

I just hope for all of our sakes it all works ! 

I am not a member of Spanish government, wish I knew why this huge difference (40,000 compared to 3,000 per day, and the gap seems growing). The young people specially have a careless attitude in UK.

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Posted: Tue Sep 7, 2021 8:52pm

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Boca J wrote on Tue Sep 7, 2021 7:41pm:

It seems you misunderstand the post. Question was why UK's cases is going opposite direction to rest of Europe, not comparing total cases. UK's cases have gone up to around 40,000 per day, Spain's reduced to around 3,000 per day. Why this huge difference now ?

 I don't think the younger people here have different attitudes to their European counterparts. I would say people are accepting covid now as a fact of life and acting a little more normally, perhaps that plus the infectious delta variant is behind the increase in cases.  

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Posted: Tue Sep 7, 2021 9:03pm

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Comparing case rates anywhere at a single point in time is of limited use. In Ireland, we’ve had the lowest rates in Europe and we currently have almost the highest rates. Waves of Covid cases can afflict any of our countries - hopefully vaccination rates and other mitigations can help us to limit their impact. 

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 9:12am

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James1212 wrote on Tue Sep 7, 2021 9:03pm:

Comparing case rates anywhere at a single point in time is of limited use. In Ireland, we’ve had the lowest rates in Europe and we currently have almost the highest rates. Waves of Covid cases can afflict any of our countries - hopefully vaccination rates and other mitigations can help us to li...

...mit their impact. 

Hi, our absolutely right, which is why you have to look at the long term rates that I posted earlier. 

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 10:01am

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Testing in the U.K. is non stop.

In London, in the tube stations you can see big signs up telling you to get tested if you aren’t feeling well. Signs directing to to test centres.  There are test centres all over the country and free of charge. If a country carries out as many daily tests as they do in the U.K. then you are going to have a pretty accurate account of the number of infectious people. 

It saddens me to read so many unnecessary and rude comments about how the U.K. is governed. I wouldn’t like their job and doubt that I could do any better. People’s attitudes are all wrong. Remember this famous quote “ ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”.  If we all behaved like decent human beings and stopped moaning, we’d be far better off and happier too.

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Boca J

Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 10:08am

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You also need to consider vaccination rate (Spain 73%, UK 65) + mask mandatory in Spain (in public places), not so in UK.

I am sure these are factors which contribute to the huge difference between their daily case numbers.

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 10:27am

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Grannyrose wrote on Wed Sep 8, 2021 10:01am:

Testing in the U.K. is non stop.

In London, in the tube stations you can see big signs up telling you to get tested if you aren’t feeling well. Signs directing to to test centres.  There are test centres all over the country and free of charge. If a country carries out as many daily tests as they do in the U.K. then you a...

...re going to have a pretty accurate account of the number of infectious people. 

It saddens me to read so many unnecessary and rude comments about how the U.K. is governed. I wouldn’t like their job and doubt that I could do any better. People’s attitudes are all wrong. Remember this famous quote “ ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”.  If we all behaved like decent human beings and stopped moaning, we’d be far better off and happier too.

It's rude to believe that Spain or other EU countries are not doing enough testing. You wonder how it's possible to have 278 million tests when total population is only 67 million. I seem to remember when millions of test kits were sent to peoples addresses and were counted as actual tests when they didn't even know if anyone received them or took the test, let alone returned them.

Now which test figure is more honest, Spain's 60 million or 278 million ?

Some of the comments seem to come from people with Brexit mentality.

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:23am

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:23am

Boca J wrote on Wed Sep 8, 2021 10:27am:

It's rude to believe that Spain or other EU countries are not doing enough testing. You wonder how it's possible to have 278 million tests when total population is only 67 million. I seem to remember when millions of test kits were sent to peoples addresses and were counted as actual tests when t...

...hey didn't even know if anyone received them or took the test, let alone returned them.

Now which test figure is more honest, Spain's 60 million or 278 million ?

Some of the comments seem to come from people with Brexit mentality.

I followed a news story yesterday in the Daily Express. (It ran a quite xenophobic headline about queues at Malaga airport and I was interested to see why)

I was very interested to read in the comments section (those returning to the UK) that the overwhelming opinion of those who commented was that they felt Spain was safer than the UK.

Overall, I think the Spanish public have been absolutely excellent at respecting the protocols like masking, distancing etc whereas my UK friends and relatives confirm that in general people are not being so careful there.

Steve

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:31am

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dinnerout wrote on Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:23am:

I followed a news story yesterday in the Daily Express. (It ran a quite xenophobic headline about queues at Malaga airport and I was interested to see why)

I was very interested to read in the comments section (those returning to the UK) that the overwhelming opinion of those who commented was that they felt Spain was safer than the UK....

...

Overall, I think the Spanish public have been absolutely excellent at respecting the protocols like masking, distancing etc whereas my UK friends and relatives confirm that in general people are not being so careful there.

Steve

At last one sensible unbiased person. It's rare.

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:42am

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Posted: Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:42am

dinnerout wrote on Wed Sep 8, 2021 11:23am:

I followed a news story yesterday in the Daily Express. (It ran a quite xenophobic headline about queues at Malaga airport and I was interested to see why)

I was very interested to read in the comments section (those returning to the UK) that the overwhelming opinion of those who commented was that they felt Spain was safer than the UK....

...

Overall, I think the Spanish public have been absolutely excellent at respecting the protocols like masking, distancing etc whereas my UK friends and relatives confirm that in general people are not being so careful there.

Steve

Hi, Supermarkets are the worst with about a third of shoppers maskless and having  to ask  people standing right behind you at the checkouts to move back.

The impression you get here in the UK is that the pandemic is over and carry on as normal. 

No surprise then that according to the news yesterday our infection rate is double the whole of the EU... 

David.

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