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Posted: Sat Oct 8, 2022 11:39pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 9, 2022 12:07am
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Should be Q.E.D. not QED.
Stupidity or genius? It's a fine line!
Explain how you come to your conclusion though.
Posted: Sun Oct 9, 2022 12:35am
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Yes Q. E. D. , it's true that genius has a limit, but stupidity is infinite.
aitchc1401 wrote on Sat Oct 8, 2022 9:41am:
Hi Grannyrose,
I had a smart meter installed last year on my electricity supply, nothing changed on my energy rates at all. Where did you read that people with smart meters are being charged FAR MORE that those of the older meters. If you read the attached from Mo...
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...neysupermarket, an independent company, it explains the costs for the smart meter rollout is spread across all consumers.
https://www.moneysupermarket.com/gas-and-electricity/smart-meters/
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Aitch.
I've got a Smart meter, having one has not meant you are charged more. I think the poster has confused Smart meters with Pre-payment meters which is the highest charge/cost for electricity/gas and many people who cannot manage DD monthly payments, normally because they are on low incomes have one. They have a token which is loaded with an amount they put on it, say £20 and when that amount runs out the power goes off, meaning they can never run up an energy debt.
I think its outrageous that the cost of their energy is the highest. That is discrimination imho. They are paying for energy in advance of using it.
We also have a smart meter in Spain for our apartment. Smart meters are used by Energy suppliers to know at anytime of the day or night what power is being used across the grid. They can then make adjustments to what power is being used across the country. The consummer does not benefit by having one. You either use power or you don't. Of course you can see what power you are using at anytime.
Standing charges are not governed by the price cap in the UK by offgem. Meaning they can charge what they like. Offgem are totally useless and haven't helped the consummer at all, we're all still being ripped off. All the time we are being told to use less energy, why I ask myself. What company wants to sell less, ask yourself that. I don't know of any, including my own small business. Does m&s, supermarkets or any other business want to sell less, of course they don't. In the UK we have all been paying the green levy, what a scandle that is, paying for new infrastucture that we don't own, big business owns it at our expense, when they should have been re-investing the huge profits they made back into infrastructure.
Posted: Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:43pm
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Alfapash wrote on Sun Oct 9, 2022 5:37pm:
I've got a Smart meter, having one has not meant you are charged more. I think the poster has confused Smart meters with Pre-payment meters which is the highest charge/cost for electricity/gas and many people who cannot manage DD monthly payments, normally because they are on low incomes have one...
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.... They have a token which is loaded with an amount they put on it, say £20 and when that amount runs out the power goes off, meaning they can never run up an energy debt.
I think its outrageous that the cost of their energy is the highest. That is discrimination imho. They are paying for energy in advance of using it.
We also have a smart meter in Spain for our apartment. Smart meters are used by Energy suppliers to know at anytime of the day or night what power is being used across the grid. They can then make adjustments to what power is being used across the country. The consummer does not benefit by having one. You either use power or you don't. Of course you can see what power you are using at anytime.
Standing charges are not governed by the price cap in the UK by offgem. Meaning they can charge what they like. Offgem are totally useless and haven't helped the consummer at all, we're all still being ripped off. All the time we are being told to use less energy, why I ask myself. What company wants to sell less, ask yourself that. I don't know of any, including my own small business. Does m&s, supermarkets or any other business want to sell less, of course they don't. In the UK we have all been paying the green levy, what a scandle that is, paying for new infrastucture that we don't own, big business owns it at our expense, when they should have been re-investing the huge profits they made back into infrastructure.
You could be right about the confusion, certainly I have never heard of smart meters costing more, its all about the tariff/supplier you choose.
There is a good article on Moneysavingexpert about prepaid meters,
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/switch-prepaid-gas-electricity/
If you read through it the best prepaid tariffs and the standard tariffs are, at the moment, not that different.
Standing charges do vary by region but are capped, see attached.
I think every country, including Spain, has been advisin/asking users to cut back on electricity usage, so it's not unique to the UK. The cost of electricity is no doubt the main driver for most to look at cutting back on consumption.
You ask why would energy suppliers want to advise people on cutting back bu as an example, looking at my suppliers website (OVO), there is a host of information and advice about energy efficiency measures, which you would expect from any socially responsible company.
What they don't want is customers not being able to pay so it's in their interests to help us reduce consumption, grants available, help with fuel poverty, etc.
https://www.ovoenergy.com/help/independent-energy-advice
Aitch.
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Posted: Sun Oct 9, 2022 8:31pm
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Grannyrose wrote on Fri Oct 7, 2022 11:42pm:
I listen day and daily to the horror stories about people in the U.K. not being able to afford electricity. What I cannot understand and have yet to hear it mentioned is that the people who have smart meters installed in their home are charged FAR MORE than people who have a reading taken a...
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...nd pay by direct debit. It’s the working classes that a have these meters and they are the very people who cannot afford to be over charged. It’s the same with coal. Instead of having a ton of coal delivered to your coal shed, people buy coal in small quantities and pay possibly 4 times as much for it as it would cost when buying in bulk. There must be something that can be done about this. The smart meters were installed to stop people running up bills and never paying them. I expect the original idea of charging more was to cover the cost of installing the meters but social housing and others have them and they’ve never dropped the inflated price of electricity per unit. It’s grossly unfair and morally wrong.
Are you possibly getting mixed up between smart meters and pre payment meters. I know pre payment tarriffs are more, but smart meters don't tend to be.
Posted: Sun Oct 9, 2022 11:47pm
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Boca J wrote on Tue Sep 6, 2022 4:03pm:
Wages are higher in UK ? What type of jobs are you referring to ?
Besides, what about pensioners ? whose pension is higher ?
Many pensioners claim for housing benefit, attendance allowance, mobility allowance.
Many don’t .
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:26am
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aitchc1401 wrote on Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:43pm:
You could be right about the confusion, certainly I have never heard of smart meters costing more, its all about the tariff/supplier you choose.
There is a good article on Moneysavingexpert about prepaid meters,
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https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/switch-prepaid-gas-electricity/
If you read through it the best prepaid tariffs and the standard tariffs are, at the moment, not that different.
Standing charges do vary by region but are capped, see attached.
I think every country, including Spain, has been advisin/asking users to cut back on electricity usage, so it's not unique to the UK. The cost of electricity is no doubt the main driver for most to look at cutting back on consumption.
You ask why would energy suppliers want to advise people on cutting back bu as an example, looking at my suppliers website (OVO), there is a host of information and advice about energy efficiency measures, which you would expect from any socially responsible company.
What they don't want is customers not being able to pay so it's in their interests to help us reduce consumption, grants available, help with fuel poverty, etc.
https://www.ovoenergy.com/help/independent-energy-advice
Aitch.
Standing charges in UK for electricity only (not gas or dual fuel) have increased by 82% since March 2022 even when NOT taking into account the actual increase in the electric KW/H unit price, and this is when the cap is in place (next review for upward increase due in Nov, I think)
In Spain the actual standing charges are still the same, BUT an added charges for gas (whether you use gas or not) has been added as a stealth standing charge, which in most cases has doubled your bill (200% or more increase), due for review in Feb? 2023
Elsewhere, Ireland for example, standing charges for the 900,000 smart meters already installed, are about 50-80% more expensive than the old meters AND the per unit price is MORE expensive except for 2 hours between 2am and 4am, with unit price between 5pm and 7pm being even more expensive again on top of that.
The splurge about being able to see when you use the most electricity, and giving you the chance to reduce it, is TOTALLY NEGATED by these increased charges AND if you do reduce your usage they then charge you a LOW USAGE CHARGE
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:44am
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TonySmith wrote on Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:26am:
Standing charges in UK for electricity only (not gas or dual fuel) have increased by 82% since March 2022 even when NOT taking into account the actual increase in the electric KW/H unit price, and this is when the cap is in place (next review for upward increase due in Nov, I think)
In Spain the actual standing charges are still the same, BUT an added charges for gas (whether you use gas or not) has been added as a stealth standing charge, which in most cases has doubled your bill (200% or more increase), due for review in Feb? 2023...
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Elsewhere, Ireland for example, standing charges for the 900,000 smart meters already installed, are about 50-80% more expensive than the old meters AND the per unit price is MORE expensive except for 2 hours between 2am and 4am, with unit price between 5pm and 7pm being even more expensive again on top of that.
The splurge about being able to see when you use the most electricity, and giving you the chance to reduce it, is TOTALLY NEGATED by these increased charges AND if you do reduce your usage they then charge you a LOW USAGE CHARGE
It is my understanding that the additional charge for gas relates directly pro rata to the number of kWh billed. It is a charge levied for the gas used to generate electricity, regardless of whether you have gas or not. Our property is entirely electric, therefore we are paying effectively a charge to generate all the power in the house. It is not related to the personal use of gas in the house/apartment etc.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:09am
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Stephanie86 wrote on Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:44am:
It is my understanding that the additional charge for gas relates directly pro rata to the number of kWh billed. It is a charge levied for the gas used to generate electricity, regardless of whether you have gas or not. Our property is entirely electric, therefore we are paying effectively a char...
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...ge to generate all the power in the house. It is not related to the personal use of gas in the house/apartment etc.
Whether or not you have gas, the total cost is still a lot lower than in UK.
Btw., this video is for those who claim that cost of living crisis is exaggerated.
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