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Kaos473 wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:11pm:

Why on earth would you think for one minute there will be a problem for us to holiday in the EU. Most EU countries would be stupid to make it awkward for UK residents to travel as countries like Greece totally rely on tourism to survive. Also it as just been announced that all flights to EU will ...

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...fly as normal until June 21 as the UK and EU have agreed on a way forward as regards flying. And by the way 17.4million are not wrong. By the way are you English or European. If you are English why did you move to Spain and if you are European then you have no say in what goes on in the UK. 

DavidES wrote on Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:39pm:

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct.

The issue with it is a one way ticket,

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No refunds, transfers etc.

Ni good going back tu the EU in five years

Time and asking come back? It just won’t happen and even if it did, it would be on such unfavourable terms and we are going 

To get that anyway. The reality will only kick in when people want to go on their holidays and will be drastically different, when it becomes difficult and they will then say “I did not know it would mean this” 

It will eventually sort itself out, economics

will drive it.

Davud

aitchc1401 wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:42pm:

Ignoring all the other dross in your post could you explain how you think holidays are going to be so drastically different that people will think "let's rejoin the EU?"

Aitch

Grannyrose wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:14pm:

Intellectually challenging!   What a statement. I have lived in Northern Ireland for many years but spent my formative years in the Rep of Ireland where I saw a lot of people living in poor homes and primitive conditions eg no running water inside, no bathrooms or lavatories, certainly no en...

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...-suites and wall mounted televisions like people have today. Anyway , the amount of funding given to countries in need from the EU was phenomenal! The Celtic Tiger brought great wealth to everyone there and life improved beyond belief. Meanwhile, over the border because we were part of the UK, we got very little. Worse, the “troubles “ brought great pain and suffering to so much money had to be found to rebuild towns all over the country. The U.K. was paying millions into the EU coffers but we were not considered to be in need which we were. Our province didn’t move forward until very recently. The ferries used to transport us to the mainland were appalling, our trains were antiquated. We don’t actually have a rail link at Belfast International Airport, yet the closest railway is approximately 3 miles away ( I think). We flew into Dublin last week and there were buses galore waiting outside to transport people to various parts of the country. Come out of our airport and you will not see any buses because there aren’t any regular buses. You can get a bus which takes you to Belfast City but that’s no use if you don’t live there.  If the EU had pumped money into our province, things might have been different. It has taken years to finally provide good quality social housing which aren’t damp and single glazed. It is more than likely the same in other parts of the mainland . WE NEED TO KEEP OUR OWN MONEY FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE. We have given enough away. Poverty is still there and some people live a poor existence , a very poor existence.  

I mentioned the Rep of Ireland benefitting from the EU and our beloved Spain is another example. Take a look at the roads system... fantastic. Rail system.. fantastic too. Yet Spain is not one of the countries paying huge chunks of money to support other countries. They have done well too. 
So, intellectually challenged , I think not.   The whole concept of the EU is good in many ways but not financially for the UK, Germany and France. Share and share alike , in an ideal world a very good idea but it’s now time to put things right at home. Our NHS needs a massive injection of funds, our armed forces have been drastically reduced over so many years, education is of paramount importance. It’s time to put our own house in order. 
It’s sad to be leaving the EU but needs must.  Our country is in a sorry state and it’s time to put things right and we will.  There are those who believe that we won’t survive and that all hell will be let loose. No way.!!  Life has a way of moving on and it will be different but in due course, we will think nothing of it. The EU are furious that we decided to leave and clearly decided to be darned awkward ( very grown up attitude) Now, with a week or two to go, it’s full steam ahead. Think of all the good money wasted trying to arrange a deal , millions down the drain and it will all be thrashed out in a matter of weeks. 

Life will go on as usual. My late mother in law used to say “ it’ll be a seven day wonder” and it is true. People lose interest very quickly. Life changes as we have all witnessed this year. 
Happy Christmas to you all. 

dinnerout wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:47pm:

Of course it won't affect the majority of holiday travellers, apart from Insurance, and medical care no longer available under EHIC.

But.... there is a substantial group who like to visit for more than 90 days at a time, and it will make a difference to their plans and habits.

aitchc1401 wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:28pm:

 The people affected by the 90 day rule will be a tiny percentage of the annual UK travellers to Spain and I am sure they will be able to adapt to the new rules.

   The vast majority of tourists will hardly be affected. I do accept your point about about medical cover, that will add a cost to a holiday. That's assuming that there is no reciprocal deal put in place between the UK and individual EU countries. Drastically different, I think not!...

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Aitch.

dinnerout wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:20pm:

If you hold a British passport you are British wherever you live! What you 'feel' is a subset of that. For example I would describe myself as Scottish, British and European. These are things that can be mutually inclusive!

Britain is still on the Continent of Europe and much as some would like to change that I'm afraid Brexit won't. ...

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Kaos473 wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:43pm:

Why would it not change. We would revert back to a sovereign country. Which we were before joining the EU. We was not part of the EU continent then? 

Grannyrose wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:14pm:

Intellectually challenging!   What a statement. I have lived in Northern Ireland for many years but spent my formative years in the Rep of Ireland where I saw a lot of people living in poor homes and primitive conditions eg no running water inside, no bathrooms or lavatories, certainly no en...

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...-suites and wall mounted televisions like people have today. Anyway , the amount of funding given to countries in need from the EU was phenomenal! The Celtic Tiger brought great wealth to everyone there and life improved beyond belief. Meanwhile, over the border because we were part of the UK, we got very little. Worse, the “troubles “ brought great pain and suffering to so much money had to be found to rebuild towns all over the country. The U.K. was paying millions into the EU coffers but we were not considered to be in need which we were. Our province didn’t move forward until very recently. The ferries used to transport us to the mainland were appalling, our trains were antiquated. We don’t actually have a rail link at Belfast International Airport, yet the closest railway is approximately 3 miles away ( I think). We flew into Dublin last week and there were buses galore waiting outside to transport people to various parts of the country. Come out of our airport and you will not see any buses because there aren’t any regular buses. You can get a bus which takes you to Belfast City but that’s no use if you don’t live there.  If the EU had pumped money into our province, things might have been different. It has taken years to finally provide good quality social housing which aren’t damp and single glazed. It is more than likely the same in other parts of the mainland . WE NEED TO KEEP OUR OWN MONEY FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE. We have given enough away. Poverty is still there and some people live a poor existence , a very poor existence.  

I mentioned the Rep of Ireland benefitting from the EU and our beloved Spain is another example. Take a look at the roads system... fantastic. Rail system.. fantastic too. Yet Spain is not one of the countries paying huge chunks of money to support other countries. They have done well too. 
So, intellectually challenged , I think not.   The whole concept of the EU is good in many ways but not financially for the UK, Germany and France. Share and share alike , in an ideal world a very good idea but it’s now time to put things right at home. Our NHS needs a massive injection of funds, our armed forces have been drastically reduced over so many years, education is of paramount importance. It’s time to put our own house in order. 
It’s sad to be leaving the EU but needs must.  Our country is in a sorry state and it’s time to put things right and we will.  There are those who believe that we won’t survive and that all hell will be let loose. No way.!!  Life has a way of moving on and it will be different but in due course, we will think nothing of it. The EU are furious that we decided to leave and clearly decided to be darned awkward ( very grown up attitude) Now, with a week or two to go, it’s full steam ahead. Think of all the good money wasted trying to arrange a deal , millions down the drain and it will all be thrashed out in a matter of weeks. 

Life will go on as usual. My late mother in law used to say “ it’ll be a seven day wonder” and it is true. People lose interest very quickly. Life changes as we have all witnessed this year. 
Happy Christmas to you all.