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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:48pm
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DavidES

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Any updates on TMA testing.

The Spanish government are going to

allow TMA test instead of PCR which is cheaper and results in Two hours. Good news in one way, but if the UK leaves EU without a deal we will not be able to go to

Spain at all under the current Covid arrangements. Let’s hope something can be done as Spain’s economy is so based on tourism and has already taken such a big hit with Covid. Many businesses closed their and some will not reopen.

The sad reality of the situation we are all now in.

Going to another country anywhere pretty

Much seems quite complicated now.

Flights are difficult, tests are expensive if you can get them and when you have your flights arranged, it’s either cancelled, changed to another day and a refund may be on the cards, eventually that is!!

Golandrina

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:00pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:00pm

This was put on the N332 Facebook page on the 10th December.

Changes for those travelling to Spain, from today 10th DecemberPublished today in the Official State Gazette - BOE the resolution that will allow:For travelers from risk areas, to provide a negative diagnosis of #COVID19 with *EITHER* a PCR, or a Transcription-Mediated Amplification test (TMA), or equivalent, carried out 72 hours before arrival.

(Before, only a PCR test was accepted)

Children under 6 years old will not be required to provide a negative test.

(Before, even children under 6 had to show proof of negative test)

You may present the proof of test in either Spanish, English, French or German

(Before, only in Spanish or English)

If it is not in any of these languages It must be accompanied by an official translation.

Read here ALL the information

https://www.boe.es/.../2020/12/10/pdfs/BOE-A-2020-15878.pdf


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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:33pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:33pm

Golandrina wrote on Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:00pm:

This was put on the N332 Facebook page on the 10th December.

Changes for those travelling to Spain, from today 10th DecemberPublished today in the Official State Gazette - BOE the resolution that will allow:For travelers from risk areas, to provide a negative diagnosis of Read more...

...ys6pWehpE7c6IGPerMG-iBsQnomLjel381YbOcYqMowTlHV5-GUjwy1RCw9Z4NrXfA-TE6rOL05PaIsodvOMY5wNWktaG7AVVNLangXglskn9esJ1WMZD29r5Cp_iiy1p4xgMJX4Ua-3Yk&__tn__=*NK-R" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">#COVID19 with *EITHER* a PCR, or a Transcription-Mediated Amplification test (TMA), or equivalent, carried out 72 hours before arrival.

(Before, only a PCR test was accepted)

Children under 6 years old will not be required to provide a negative test.

(Before, even children under 6 had to show proof of negative test)

You may present the proof of test in either Spanish, English, French or German

(Before, only in Spanish or English)

If it is not in any of these languages It must be accompanied by an official translation.

Read here ALL the information

https://www.boe.es/.../2020/12/10/pdfs/BOE-A-2020-15878.pdf


Thanks for this.

It may change again yet.

If there is a no deal Brexit UK citizens won’t be able to Spain after 31/12/20 anyway under the current arrangements.

Airlines are in a situation as they will probably have to cancel flights if there are not enough customers.



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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03pm

DavidES wrote on Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:48pm:

Any updates on TMA testing.

The Spanish government are going to

allow TMA test instead of PCR which is cheaper and results in Two hours. Good news in one way, but if the UK leaves EU without a deal we will not be able to go to

Spain at all under the current Covid arrangements. Let’s hope something can be done as Spain’s economy is so based on tourism and has already taken such a big hit with Covid. Many businesses closed their and some will not reopen.

The sad reality of the situation we are all now in.

Going to another country anywhere pretty

Much seems quite complicated now.

Flights are difficult, tests are expensive if you can get them and when you have your flights arranged, it’s either cancelled, changed to another day and a refund may be on the cards, eventually that is!!

Depending on where you get your information from, Spain's tourist industry accounts for somewhere between 11 and 17% of GDP.

If you were to take the higher figure of 17%, just for arguments sake, that 17% is made up of visitors from worldwide nations as far afield as Russia, but includes many EU nations like Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Norway etc etc, AOL UK income is only a percentage of the 17.

That is not to say the UK tourism to Spain is insignificant because it's a large contributor but Spain's tourism industry will not collapse because of the difficulties or tempory restrictions of Covid19.

DavidES

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:07am

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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:07am

dinnerout wrote on Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03pm:

Depending on where you get your information from, Spain's tourist industry accounts for somewhere between 11 and 17% of GDP.

If you were to take the higher figure of 17%, just for arguments sake, that 17% is made up of visitors from worldwide nations as far afield as Russia, but includes many EU nations like Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Norway etc etc, AOL UK income is only a percentage of the 17....

...

That is not to say the UK tourism to Spain is insignificant because it's a large contributor but Spain's tourism industry will not collapse because of the difficulties or tempory restrictions of Covid19.

No absolutely not.

Why would it? The issue is far wider than that, it’s a global problem.

But it will return, but will take a long time


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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:39pm

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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:39pm

This post that was quoted has been deleted.

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct.

The issue with it is a one way ticket,

No refunds, transfers etc.

Ni good going back tu the EU in five years

Time and asking come back? It just won’t happen and even if it did, it would be on such unfavourable terms and we are going 

To get that anyway. The reality will only kick in when people want to go on their holidays and will be drastically different, when it becomes difficult and they will then say “I did not know it would mean this” 

It will eventually sort itself out, economics

will drive it.


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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:14pm

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Intellectually challenging!   What a statement. I have lived in Northern Ireland for many years but spent my formative years in the Rep of Ireland where I saw a lot of people living in poor homes and primitive conditions eg no running water inside, no bathrooms or lavatories, certainly no en-suites and wall mounted televisions like people have today. Anyway , the amount of funding given to countries in need from the EU was phenomenal! The Celtic Tiger brought great wealth to everyone there and life improved beyond belief. Meanwhile, over the border because we were part of the UK, we got very little. Worse, the “troubles “ brought great pain and suffering to so much money had to be found to rebuild towns all over the country. The U.K. was paying millions into the EU coffers but we were not considered to be in need which we were. Our province didn’t move forward until very recently. The ferries used to transport us to the mainland were appalling, our trains were antiquated. We don’t actually have a rail link at Belfast International Airport, yet the closest railway is approximately 3 miles away ( I think). We flew into Dublin last week and there were buses galore waiting outside to transport people to various parts of the country. Come out of our airport and you will not see any buses because there aren’t any regular buses. You can get a bus which takes you to Belfast City but that’s no use if you don’t live there.  If the EU had pumped money into our province, things might have been different. It has taken years to finally provide good quality social housing which aren’t damp and single glazed. It is more than likely the same in other parts of the mainland . WE NEED TO KEEP OUR OWN MONEY FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE. We have given enough away. Poverty is still there and some people live a poor existence , a very poor existence.  

I mentioned the Rep of Ireland benefitting from the EU and our beloved Spain is another example. Take a look at the roads system... fantastic. Rail system.. fantastic too. Yet Spain is not one of the countries paying huge chunks of money to support other countries. They have done well too. 
So, intellectually challenged , I think not.   The whole concept of the EU is good in many ways but not financially for the UK, Germany and France. Share and share alike , in an ideal world a very good idea but it’s now time to put things right at home. Our NHS needs a massive injection of funds, our armed forces have been drastically reduced over so many years, education is of paramount importance. It’s time to put our own house in order. 
It’s sad to be leaving the EU but needs must.  Our country is in a sorry state and it’s time to put things right and we will.  There are those who believe that we won’t survive and that all hell will be let loose. No way.!!  Life has a way of moving on and it will be different but in due course, we will think nothing of it. The EU are furious that we decided to leave and clearly decided to be darned awkward ( very grown up attitude) Now, with a week or two to go, it’s full steam ahead. Think of all the good money wasted trying to arrange a deal , millions down the drain and it will all be thrashed out in a matter of weeks. 

Life will go on as usual. My late mother in law used to say “ it’ll be a seven day wonder” and it is true. People lose interest very quickly. Life changes as we have all witnessed this year. 
Happy Christmas to you all. 


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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:33pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:33pm

Grannyrose wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:14pm:

Intellectually challenging!   What a statement. I have lived in Northern Ireland for many years but spent my formative years in the Rep of Ireland where I saw a lot of people living in poor homes and primitive conditions eg no running water inside, no bathrooms or lavatories, certainly no en...

...-suites and wall mounted televisions like people have today. Anyway , the amount of funding given to countries in need from the EU was phenomenal! The Celtic Tiger brought great wealth to everyone there and life improved beyond belief. Meanwhile, over the border because we were part of the UK, we got very little. Worse, the “troubles “ brought great pain and suffering to so much money had to be found to rebuild towns all over the country. The U.K. was paying millions into the EU coffers but we were not considered to be in need which we were. Our province didn’t move forward until very recently. The ferries used to transport us to the mainland were appalling, our trains were antiquated. We don’t actually have a rail link at Belfast International Airport, yet the closest railway is approximately 3 miles away ( I think). We flew into Dublin last week and there were buses galore waiting outside to transport people to various parts of the country. Come out of our airport and you will not see any buses because there aren’t any regular buses. You can get a bus which takes you to Belfast City but that’s no use if you don’t live there.  If the EU had pumped money into our province, things might have been different. It has taken years to finally provide good quality social housing which aren’t damp and single glazed. It is more than likely the same in other parts of the mainland . WE NEED TO KEEP OUR OWN MONEY FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE. We have given enough away. Poverty is still there and some people live a poor existence , a very poor existence.  

I mentioned the Rep of Ireland benefitting from the EU and our beloved Spain is another example. Take a look at the roads system... fantastic. Rail system.. fantastic too. Yet Spain is not one of the countries paying huge chunks of money to support other countries. They have done well too. 
So, intellectually challenged , I think not.   The whole concept of the EU is good in many ways but not financially for the UK, Germany and France. Share and share alike , in an ideal world a very good idea but it’s now time to put things right at home. Our NHS needs a massive injection of funds, our armed forces have been drastically reduced over so many years, education is of paramount importance. It’s time to put our own house in order. 
It’s sad to be leaving the EU but needs must.  Our country is in a sorry state and it’s time to put things right and we will.  There are those who believe that we won’t survive and that all hell will be let loose. No way.!!  Life has a way of moving on and it will be different but in due course, we will think nothing of it. The EU are furious that we decided to leave and clearly decided to be darned awkward ( very grown up attitude) Now, with a week or two to go, it’s full steam ahead. Think of all the good money wasted trying to arrange a deal , millions down the drain and it will all be thrashed out in a matter of weeks. 

Life will go on as usual. My late mother in law used to say “ it’ll be a seven day wonder” and it is true. People lose interest very quickly. Life changes as we have all witnessed this year. 
Happy Christmas to you all. 


Yes it will all be great, the £350 million a week extra for the NHS will make such a difference. 

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:11pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:11pm

DavidES wrote on Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:39pm:

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct.

The issue with it is a one way ticket,

No refunds, transfers etc.

Ni good going back tu the EU in five years

Time and asking come back? It just won’t happen and even if it did, it would be on such unfavourable terms and we are going 

To get that anyway. The reality will only kick in when people want to go on their holidays and will be drastically different, when it becomes difficult and they will then say “I did not know it would mean this” 

It will eventually sort itself out, economics

will drive it.


Davud

Why on earth would you think for one minute there will be a problem for us to holiday in the EU. Most EU countries would be stupid to make it awkward for UK residents to travel as countries like Greece totally rely on tourism to survive. Also it as just been announced that all flights to EU will fly as normal until June 21 as the UK and EU have agreed on a way forward as regards flying. And by the way 17.4million are not wrong. By the way are you English or European. If you are English why did you move to Spain and if you are European then you have no say in what goes on in the UK. 

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:19pm

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:19pm

Kaos473 wrote on Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:11pm:

Why on earth would you think for one minute there will be a problem for us to holiday in the EU. Most EU countries would be stupid to make it awkward for UK residents to travel as countries like Greece totally rely on tourism to survive. Also it as just been announced that all flights to EU will ...

...fly as normal until June 21 as the UK and EU have agreed on a way forward as regards flying. And by the way 17.4million are not wrong. By the way are you English or European. If you are English why did you move to Spain and if you are European then you have no say in what goes on in the UK. 

I am English and European, as England, Great Britain and the U.K. are still part of Europe although not part of the European Union.

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