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Terry I cant believe that you are kind of defending Johnson ,when he said a couple of weeks ago we were to have a 5 day xmas free of restrictions depending on what tier you were in  he was advised against this by scientists who he has stated he is following  ,he then waits until 6days before xmas to completely change the guidance and not for first time has he done this .as I've stated many times on here this to me is the sign of a person who doesn't have a clue how to get us back on the right track going forward to try and get back to normality. Now ex brits who have chosen to make Spain their home have every right ,just the same as people like you and me chose not to .in my eyes Johnson is responsible for the current banning of UK citizens visiting most places in Europe  and nobody else

I've just heard on the news that the European Commission has urged countries to lift their travel bans - not wishing at all to turn this into a Brexit discussion, but it is curious that some people still believe that belonging to the EU prevents member states from having sovereignty over their own borders:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-which-countries-have-restricted-travel-to-and-from-the-uk-12169686

Let's hope that this situation is resolved soon.

Kind regards,

Kim

The blame lies at Johnsons door he announced in grand fashion on Saturday night  about the new strain of covid 19 ,what were countries supposed to do welcome UK citizens with open arms and a kiss on the cheek

Macron saw his chance to give the UK a punishment beating and took it.

I think the UK should get credit for having the processes in place to identify the new strain and for their openly reporting it. I was reading on the BBC today that it is suspected the virus is already in a lot of other countries than those who have so far detected/reported it.  I am sure in time they will detect where it comes from but at the moment it is academic.

quote:

"I think we will find in the coming days that a lot of other countries will find it," Marc Van Ranst, a virologist from the Rega Institute for Medical Research in Belgium, told broadcaster VRT.

The quote this came from the article in the link below, the article where the EU is asking countries to lift their bans on UK travellers!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55404087

Rgds,

Aitch

John, your point was that countries cannot stop their nationals returning, my point was France have, nothing said by me about the PM's decision.

Aitch.

I think if you look around Europe you will find a lot of leaders have had to change plans at short notice.

   The infection rates where not significant even 10 days ago and in many areas dropping. What are the government to do, carry on with the Christmas plans and then be accused of causing more deaths that could have been avoided? Remember that London were in Tier 2 until 16th December and marginal was to whether they would go to Tier 3. So the infection rate shoots up and they have to react. 

Aitch

What I want to know is how come in the period from March until now apart from the 12 week lockdown starting in March there is Leicester which has had the highest restrictions imposed for past at least 3 months and places in Scotland including Glasgow and west of Scotland placed in tier 3 where no hospitality ,has there been nothing learned from these governments  it certainly look like 2021 will start with a full lockdown ,so what's happened and been learned in the interim 9 months

The insistence on a PCR test assumes that people without a test (or with a +ve result) not would attempt to travel.

So, assuming "statistically normal" human behaviour, there is no need to check the PCR test results of travellers entering Spain.

But there will be some small scale aberrant behaviour (forged PCRs, slimeball behaviours, etc.).

But the new variant is (apparently) 7 times more transmissible than the familiar variant, so not even the small scale aberrant behaviour can be accepted.

Limiting entry to only those with a legal right of abode further reduces the risk arising from aberrant behaviour.

FWIW, we are in England right now. We have TIEs and can still (legally) return to our permanent home in Spain. But our flight might not run, as the carrier might decide to cancel it due to lack of passengers. It is frustrating, but we understand the issue. It is what it is, and we have to be grown up about it. This is a statistical evaluation; it is not personal.

The UK has some scientific expertise which enabled the new-variant strain to be identified early. It may already be "out there" in other countries. If it is shown to be already "out there" (such that travellers from the UK do not present a new risk), the new-variant-specific travel restrictions will likely be relaxed. It will take some time for these checks to be made in other countries.   

It’s just a pity France didn’t close its borders to us in 1914 & 1940