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Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2021 10:20am

julietony

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Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2021 10:20am

Mrmike wrote on Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:07am:
Yes you can still get the infection, in a milder form and it is short lived, The contagion period is much shorter too meaning that the possibility of infecting others is also reduced. Main cause of death in the 5 to 11 year olds is now Covid 19, Statements issued by leading epidiemoligists and he...

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...alth directors in Italy. After the No Vax protests in Trieste, the region's hospitals filled up, sending the region into the yellow classification. In many Italian Hospitals the Unvaxed are making up 100% of intensive care patients, and generally over 80% occupancy of ICUs overall. Sources RAI 1 and C5 news broadcasts. Italy is very similar to Spain but maybe 1 or 2 weeks ahead in terms of numbers of contagions etc.
The Latest in Italy is one of the leading No Vax Advocates with 1000s of daily followers has just come out of ICU and seen the light.!
Other health treatments are being delayed by the occupation of beds in hospitals by no vax patients. I believe that the German Triage system operated in some Laender is correct with priority given to vaccinated patients. Certainly the Austrians with their fines after 1st Feb will make it clear.

So for what it may be worth, this is my experience of COVID.

Hubby and I live in the UK, both double vaccinated but not yet had our boosters. We travelled to our holiday home in Spain back in October, wore masks as required, and returned after a lovely holiday unscathed despite being very wary of the both the airport and the plane. Two weeks ago I went to an office party here in the UK, all of my party had been double jabbed, there was table service but no masks and no ventilation, no proof of jabs required and no pre-test requisite. . We think now that the person I spent most of the evening talking to was already COVID positive. I tested twice with a LF over the next four days, both negative. During this time I attended a house party where everyone was also double jabbed and has taken LF tests beforehand. 4 days after the office party my colleague tested positive, and then so did I which was confirmed by a PCR. No-one else from either gathering has caught COVID,(all subsequently had PCR's) apart from my poor husband. I had one day of feeling achy and very tired but after that just like a heavy cold with a very annoying cough. Hubby has felt unwell for a week now and is still at the achy stage.

We are incredibly grateful for both the jab, and that no one else, including my elderly Mum caught covid. Everyone was aware of the risks beforehand and we had decided to go ahead. But I do feel that maybe the jab has made us a little complacent and that we should wear masks, and we should still keep our distance, and keep rooms ventilated. They are relatively easy things to do, and as has been pointed out, and proved by my experience, a jab does not stop transmission or infection and some people can still be quite poorly.

However we may wish otherwise, I dont think this is going away just yet.

Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:37pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:37pm

julietony wrote on Fri Dec 3, 2021 10:20am:
So for what it may be worth, this is my experience of COVID.
Hubby and I live in the UK, both double vaccinated but not yet had our boosters. We travelled to our holiday home in Spain back in October, wore masks as required, and returned after a lovely holiday unscathed despite being very wary of the both the airport and the plane. Two weeks ag...

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...o I went to an office party here in the UK, all of my party had been double jabbed, there was table service but no masks and no ventilation, no proof of jabs required and no pre-test requisite. . We think now that the person I spent most of the evening talking to was already COVID positive. I tested twice with a LF over the next four days, both negative. During this time I attended a house party where everyone was also double jabbed and has taken LF tests beforehand. 4 days after the office party my colleague tested positive, and then so did I which was confirmed by a PCR. No-one else from either gathering has caught COVID,(all subsequently had PCR's) apart from my poor husband. I had one day of feeling achy and very tired but after that just like a heavy cold with a very annoying cough. Hubby has felt unwell for a week now and is still at the achy stage.
We are incredibly grateful for both the jab, and that no one else, including my elderly Mum caught covid. Everyone was aware of the risks beforehand and we had decided to go ahead. But I do feel that maybe the jab has made us a little complacent and that we should wear masks, and we should still keep our distance, and keep rooms ventilated. They are relatively easy things to do, and as has been pointed out, and proved by my experience, a jab does not stop transmission or infection and some people can still be quite poorly.
However we may wish otherwise, I dont think this is going away just yet.

Hi Julie,

good update, I hope that your husband gets over his covid symptoms soon, it can take some time. You are right about the vaccines and as soon as you can get your booster then take it.

It has been correct that the vaccines do not stop you catching the infection or spreading it but they do reduce the chances of you catching it and spreading it. Your tale proves that in as much as no-one else the gathering caught covid.

The other point is that the vaccines prevent serious illness and again, though you were infected, neither of you had to be hospitalised. Your story is a great advert for covid vaccination!

Rgds,

Aitch.

Posted: Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:01pm

theyoman71

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Posted: Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:01pm

I think people want to believe that masks and vaccination are the way out of this virus. "If everyone wears a mask and is double vaccinated then all is well in the world". No, here is my story why.

August just gone, I fell ill with covid but thought I just had a cold (I was not vaccinated at this time). I continued working (from home) and just put up with the odd ache a pain. By the second week I developed a cough. With the cough I started developing shortness of breath (only when I breathed deep). Late in that second week on Thursday I called the doctor who sent me to the covid clinic. Then sent me to the hospital as I needed a chest xray. Whilst I was there I was tested, blow me down I had the delta variant. I had no idea it was covid as I've have colds worse than this!

Xray showed nothing of concern, they transferred me to out patients (they give me a blood oxygen monitor, someone telephones everyday to get the results).

Whilst I was in hospital for the day, the women in the room next to mine was double vaccinated. Nurses and doctors kept going in here room, doing test after test. I could hear her coughing non-stop. She was 10 times worse than I was, yet she was double vaccinated!

How this virus affects you is down to the individual. I'm a vegetarian who eats organic food and exercises for at least an hour each day. Only drink alcohol on special occasions and I never eat fast food. Maybe this makes my immune system stronger.

With regards to the vaccine, I've had the first jab and boy was I rough. My body induced a fever like it was trying to fight off a virus. Not looking forward to the second one. If it wasn't for this stupid rules and regulations, I wouldn't bother getting vaccinated at all.

One last thing, masks. If you covered your mouth when you coughed and sneezed, you wouldn't need a mask at all. Doctors and nurses told me this whilst I was in hospital. Covid is not air born and it is only to stop people spluttering on you. If you want to protect yourself from others wear a shield, you need to stop people splutters getting into your eyes. From your eyes it gets directly into your blood stream.

All the best everyone and don't fear Chorona! I think Choronaphobia is worse than the infection.

Posted: Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:22pm

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Posted: Sat Dec 4, 2021 9:22pm

theyoman71 thanks for this. Good to have first hand account.

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Posted: Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:02pm

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Posted: Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:02pm

theyoman71 wrote on Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:01pm:
I think people want to believe that masks and vaccination are the way out of this virus. "If everyone wears a mask and is double vaccinated then all is well in the world". No, here is my story why.
August just gone, I fell ill with covid but thought I just had a cold (I was not vaccinated at this time). I continued working (from home) and just put up with the odd ache a pain. By the second week I developed a cough. With the cough I started developing shortness of breath (o...

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...nly when I breathed deep). Late in that second week on Thursday I called the doctor who sent me to the covid clinic. Then sent me to the hospital as I needed a chest xray. Whilst I was there I was tested, blow me down I had the delta variant. I had no idea it was covid as I've have colds worse than this!
Xray showed nothing of concern, they transferred me to out patients (they give me a blood oxygen monitor, someone telephones everyday to get the results).
Whilst I was in hospital for the day, the women in the room next to mine was double vaccinated. Nurses and doctors kept going in here room, doing test after test. I could hear her coughing non-stop. She was 10 times worse than I was, yet she was double vaccinated!
How this virus affects you is down to the individual. I'm a vegetarian who eats organic food and exercises for at least an hour each day. Only drink alcohol on special occasions and I never eat fast food. Maybe this makes my immune system stronger.
With regards to the vaccine, I've had the first jab and boy was I rough. My body induced a fever like it was trying to fight off a virus. Not looking forward to the second one. If it wasn't for this stupid rules and regulations, I wouldn't bother getting vaccinated at all.
One last thing, masks. If you covered your mouth when you coughed and sneezed, you wouldn't need a mask at all. Doctors and nurses told me this whilst I was in hospital. Covid is not air born and it is only to stop people spluttering on you. If you want to protect yourself from others wear a shield, you need to stop people splutters getting into your eyes. From your eyes it gets directly into your blood stream.
All the best everyone and don't fear Chorona! I think Choronaphobia is worse than the infection.

Covid is most definitely transmitted largely by aerosol transmission. Face shields provide little protection against this and should only be used if you can't wear a mask. Wearing a mask provides a bit more protection but not much. Essentially the wearing of masks is for the protection of others and the reduction of spread and not so much the protection of the individual wearing them. Face shields are almost useless in this respect.

Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:08am

Kimmy11

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Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:08am

theyoman71 wrote on Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:01pm:
I think people want to believe that masks and vaccination are the way out of this virus. "If everyone wears a mask and is double vaccinated then all is well in the world". No, here is my story why.
August just gone, I fell ill with covid but thought I just had a cold (I was not vaccinated at this time). I continued working (from home) and just put up with the odd ache a pain. By the second week I developed a cough. With the cough I started developing shortness of breath (o...

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...nly when I breathed deep). Late in that second week on Thursday I called the doctor who sent me to the covid clinic. Then sent me to the hospital as I needed a chest xray. Whilst I was there I was tested, blow me down I had the delta variant. I had no idea it was covid as I've have colds worse than this!
Xray showed nothing of concern, they transferred me to out patients (they give me a blood oxygen monitor, someone telephones everyday to get the results).
Whilst I was in hospital for the day, the women in the room next to mine was double vaccinated. Nurses and doctors kept going in here room, doing test after test. I could hear her coughing non-stop. She was 10 times worse than I was, yet she was double vaccinated!
How this virus affects you is down to the individual. I'm a vegetarian who eats organic food and exercises for at least an hour each day. Only drink alcohol on special occasions and I never eat fast food. Maybe this makes my immune system stronger.
With regards to the vaccine, I've had the first jab and boy was I rough. My body induced a fever like it was trying to fight off a virus. Not looking forward to the second one. If it wasn't for this stupid rules and regulations, I wouldn't bother getting vaccinated at all.
One last thing, masks. If you covered your mouth when you coughed and sneezed, you wouldn't need a mask at all. Doctors and nurses told me this whilst I was in hospital. Covid is not air born and it is only to stop people spluttering on you. If you want to protect yourself from others wear a shield, you need to stop people splutters getting into your eyes. From your eyes it gets directly into your blood stream.
All the best everyone and don't fear Chorona! I think Choronaphobia is worse than the infection.

Good to hear that you recovered from Covid. While your personal experience is an interesting anecdote, I prefer to believe the clinical evidence of the world's top virologists and epidemiologists, based on millions of cases, rather than just yours:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

"Whilst I was there I was tested, blow me down I had the delta variant. I had no idea it was covid as I've have colds worse than this!"

Five weeks ago, my husband and I became very unwell with a bad cough, sore throat and high temperature. Over the course of the next 2 weeks, we each had an Antigen test and then a PCR test - both were negative. It took 3 weeks before we were eventually free of the cough. Blow me down, we thought we had Covid, but it was just a heavy cold.

"Xray showed nothing of concern, they transferred me to out patients (they give me a blood oxygen monitor, someone telephones everyday to get the results)."

Of course they gave you a blood oxygen monitor - you'd tested positive for Covid-19 and were sufficiently unwell to require hospitalisation. Oxygen saturation levels can become dangerously low without you even having symptoms - had your condition worsened, you could have been dead before an ambulance got to you.

"Whilst I was in hospital for the day, the women in the room next to mine was double vaccinated. Nurses and doctors kept going in here room, doing test after test. I could hear her coughing non-stop. She was 10 times worse than I was, yet she was double vaccinated!"

Did you meet these "women"? Did they have underlying health conditions, such as high blood pressure or diabetes, that would have exacerbated a Covid-19 viral infection? Without knowing their individual circumstances, I'm afraid your statement doesn't pass the "So what?" Test. Vaccinations do not prevent people from catching the virus, but they reduce the likelihood of severe illness - the extent of that illness is relative to the underlying health of each individual.

"How this virus affects you is down to the individual."

Exactly. See my previous comment above.

"With regards to the vaccine, I've had the first jab and boy was I rough. My body induced a fever like it was trying to fight off a virus. Not looking forward to the second one. If it wasn't for this stupid rules and regulations, I wouldn't bother getting vaccinated at all."

Vaccinations are designed to prompt a response from the body's immune system. Repeat your statement, "How this VIRUS affects you is down to the individual", and replace the word in capitals with "VACCINE".

"One last thing, masks. If you covered your mouth when you coughed and sneezed, you wouldn't need a mask at all. Doctors and nurses told me this whilst I was in hospital. Covid is not air born and it is only to stop people spluttering on you. If you want to protect yourself from others wear a shield, you need to stop people splutters getting into your eyes. From your eyes it gets directly into your blood stream."

I have a number of friends who are doctors and nurses, both in general practice and primary care. Like me, they would struggle to believe that any clinician on a hospital Covid ward would tell you that masks aren't necessary. If this is true, presumably the doctors and nurses at the hospital where you were being treated were not wearing face masks? Were they wearing any form of PPE? At which hospital were you treated?

"All the best everyone and don't fear Chorona! I think Choronaphobia is worse than the infection."

Tell that to the families of the 5.6m people worldwide who have died from this novel coronavirus - probably best to learn how to spell it first though.

Regards,

Kim

Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:41am

aitchc1401

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Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:41am

theyoman71 wrote on Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:01pm:
I think people want to believe that masks and vaccination are the way out of this virus. "If everyone wears a mask and is double vaccinated then all is well in the world". No, here is my story why.
August just gone, I fell ill with covid but thought I just had a cold (I was not vaccinated at this time). I continued working (from home) and just put up with the odd ache a pain. By the second week I developed a cough. With the cough I started developing shortness of breath (o...

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...nly when I breathed deep). Late in that second week on Thursday I called the doctor who sent me to the covid clinic. Then sent me to the hospital as I needed a chest xray. Whilst I was there I was tested, blow me down I had the delta variant. I had no idea it was covid as I've have colds worse than this!
Xray showed nothing of concern, they transferred me to out patients (they give me a blood oxygen monitor, someone telephones everyday to get the results).
Whilst I was in hospital for the day, the women in the room next to mine was double vaccinated. Nurses and doctors kept going in here room, doing test after test. I could hear her coughing non-stop. She was 10 times worse than I was, yet she was double vaccinated!
How this virus affects you is down to the individual. I'm a vegetarian who eats organic food and exercises for at least an hour each day. Only drink alcohol on special occasions and I never eat fast food. Maybe this makes my immune system stronger.
With regards to the vaccine, I've had the first jab and boy was I rough. My body induced a fever like it was trying to fight off a virus. Not looking forward to the second one. If it wasn't for this stupid rules and regulations, I wouldn't bother getting vaccinated at all.
One last thing, masks. If you covered your mouth when you coughed and sneezed, you wouldn't need a mask at all. Doctors and nurses told me this whilst I was in hospital. Covid is not air born and it is only to stop people spluttering on you. If you want to protect yourself from others wear a shield, you need to stop people splutters getting into your eyes. From your eyes it gets directly into your blood stream.
All the best everyone and don't fear Chorona! I think Choronaphobia is worse than the infection.

Good news you are recovering from your covid "experience".

The statistics overwhelmingly show that the impact of covid to people who have been fully vaccinated are significantly less that those who are not. I would say your experience reinforces this fact, you were not vaccinated when you caught covid, even your apparently healthy lifestyle did not protect you. Get fully vaccinated and take the booster now it is offered, that is your best chance of avoiding further serious covid effects.

All the NHS staff wear those masks for a reason, to minimise airbourne transmission, make sure you wear your mask in line with current guidance.

Stay safe.

Aitch.

Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:30pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:30pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Sun Dec 5, 2021 12:41am:
Good news you are recovering from your covid "experience".
The statistics overwhelmingly show that the impact of covid to people who have been fully vaccinated are significantly less that those who are not. I would say your experience reinforces this fact, you were not vaccinated when you caught covid, even your apparently healthy lifestyle did not...

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... protect you. Get fully vaccinated and take the booster now it is offered, that is your best chance of avoiding further serious covid effects.
All the NHS staff wear those masks for a reason, to minimise airbourne transmission, make sure you wear your mask in line with current guidance.
Stay safe.
Aitch.

If you have had Covid, you have the best of immunity.

Vaccine immunity seem to last about 3 months, hence the booster after 3 months.

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Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:09pm

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Posted: Sun Dec 5, 2021 6:09pm

Bodil wrote on Sun Dec 5, 2021 5:30pm:
If you have had Covid, you have the best of immunity.
Vaccine immunity seem to last about 3 months, hence the booster after 3 months.

My booster was given after 6 months. The UK have just reduced the period to 3 months as a precaution with the new Omicron variant in mind.

It's okay to say catching covid gives the best protection (though I don't know that it does), but the older you are the bigger the risk that it will kill you. Therefore getting vaccinated is the best protection.

Aitch.