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swcoulthurst

Posted: Sun Jan 1, 2023 9:20pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 1, 2023 9:20pm

8102Mko wrote on Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:12am:

New EV’s with a long driving range can be pricey, anything less won’t take you very far on a charge & infrastructure to provide enough viable recharging points is decades away. For many living in streets & apartment blocks it may never work out well. The fear of being stuck in a traff...

...ic jam with the battery failing causing the dreaded “range anxiety” is too much for many. 

I can only answer from personal experience, but here in Spain my Hyundai Kona EV with long range battery (500kms average) was no more expensive than the same age petrol and diesel cars I was looking at (18 months old). There is definitely an element of range anxiety, especially on the first long trip. But if you plan correctly all is good. As far as apartments etc, again I agree, but in cities here in Spain (and I believe in France) they are installing electric charge points on street lights in city streets. There is still a lot of infrastructure needed, but it is happening. Quicker in some areas than others.

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Posted: Wed Jan 4, 2023 6:02pm

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With iberdrola. Stable plan. You don't need to have gas to be charged the gas concession. It's a standard charge at the moment at 0.12 euros per kwh of electric used.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:54am

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Yes quite,they really are awful things.I'm in the motor trade where they are heavily frowned upon,and a definite no no for selling used as there's so many problems with them.The used dealers that have them won't be restocking once they are eventually gone.That and the heavy depreciation they are now suffering,Musk has reduced new ones by 20% so used will fall even further which has a knock on across the board.Obviously the EV's will be defended by the poor souls that have bought them but ICE vehicles are here to stay for the foreseeable future

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Yes quite,they really are awful things.I'm in the motor trade where they are heavily frowned upon,and a definite no no for selling used as there's so many problems with them.The used dealers that have them won't be restocking once they are eventually gone.That and the heavy depreciation they are now suffering,Musk has reduced new ones by 20% so used will fall even further which has a knock on across the board.Obviously the EV's will be defended by the poor souls that have bought them but ICE vehicles are here to stay for the foreseeable future

swcoulthurst

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:14pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:14pm

DeaninSpain wrote on Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:54am:

Yes quite,they really are awful things.I'm in the motor trade where they are heavily frowned upon,and a definite no no for selling used as there's so many problems with them.The used dealers that have them won't be restocking once they are eventually gone.That and the heavy depreciation they are ...

...now suffering,Musk has reduced new ones by 20% so used will fall even further which has a knock on across the board.Obviously the EV's will be defended by the poor souls that have bought them but ICE vehicles are here to stay for the foreseeable future

Don't agree. My electric car is currently valuing at and was offered more than I paid for it, 12 months and 15000 kms ago. Tesla has reduced the cost due to market demand and more mainstream manufacturers selling at much lower prices. New electric cars are now outselling petrol cars so can't see where you get your opinion from. As far as working in the motor trade, the only problem is that technicians (as'they are now called) do not have enough experience to work on them. I personally had far more problems with my last diesel car than I have had in 12 months of owning this one. Having been an aftersales manager in the retail  motortrade I can see your point of view for the dealership. After cars came in for a special price service of £99 and go out spending £500. I am quite happy to pay 60€ a year for servicing and not the hundreds on an ICE car. Yes ICE will be around for quite a while but as manufacturers are committed to stop producing ICE cars then they will just get older on the road and more costly to maintain. Again speaking from experience of owning and running classic cars.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:22pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:22pm

swcoulthurst wrote on Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:14pm:

Don't agree. My electric car is currently valuing at and was offered more than I paid for it, 12 months and 15000 kms ago. Tesla has reduced the cost due to market demand and more mainstream manufacturers selling at much lower prices. New electric cars are now outselling petrol cars so can't see ...

...where you get your opinion from. As far as working in the motor trade, the only problem is that technicians (as'they are now called) do not have enough experience to work on them. I personally had far more problems with my last diesel car than I have had in 12 months of owning this one. Having been an aftersales manager in the retail  motortrade I can see your point of view for the dealership. After cars came in for a special price service of £99 and go out spending £500. I am quite happy to pay 60€ a year for servicing and not the hundreds on an ICE car. Yes ICE will be around for quite a while but as manufacturers are committed to stop producing ICE cars then they will just get older on the road and more costly to maintain. Again speaking from experience of owning and running classic cars.

EVs are outselling diesel cars but not petrol cars. EVs are suboptimal to ICE or hybrids in every single respect. Difficult to see any compelling reason to switch to something that is less good. If EVs are caught in many of the long traffic jams in UK in winter, there's going to be a lot of dead EVs at the side of the road.

swcoulthurst

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:10pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:10pm

Dodster wrote on Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:22pm:

EVs are outselling diesel cars but not petrol cars. EVs are suboptimal to ICE or hybrids in every single respect. Difficult to see any compelling reason to switch to something that is less good. If EVs are caught in many of the long traffic jams in UK in winter, there's going to be a lot of dead ...

...EVs at the side of the road.

Last month on government and motoring bodies  statistics was the first month that electric cars out sold petrol cars.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:13pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:13pm

Last month on government and motoring bodies  statistics was the first month that electric cars out sold petrol cars.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:41pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:41pm

swcoulthurst wrote on Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:13pm:

Last month on government and motoring bodies  statistics was the first month that electric cars out sold petrol cars.

32.9% of new car sales were EVs in December which means that 67.1% were not. So not arithmetically possible for EVs to outsell petrol. Strong sales of EVs in December inflated because of late shipments of Teslas.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:50pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:50pm

Dodster wrote on Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:41pm:

32.9% of new car sales were EVs in December which means that 67.1% were not. So not arithmetically possible for EVs to outsell petrol. Strong sales of EVs in December inflated because of late shipments of Teslas.

The report was from the SMMT, I'm sure you must know who this body is.. If the 67.1% is split between petrol, diesel and possibly hybrid it is.

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