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Stephanie86

Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:26am

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:26am

Bencr85 wrote on Thu Jul 1, 2021 9:55am:

Why not buy clothes in spain , my mrs in la zenia boulevard spent a small fortune ,  plenty off great shops , the shops nead all the help you Europeans can do , us brexiteers did our bit , travelled to Spain and spent money , for us in Britain this brexit is starting to pay dividends,  ...

...hopefully good quality meat from Australia,  the east Europeans have stopped flooding in , wages going up , soon will be back to full employment,  just need to work out problems with northern Ireland!

The good quality meat from Australia will damage UK farmers and will also make a total difference of 0.02% difference to trade which will take 15 years to achieve.

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:49am

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Stephanie86 wrote on Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:26am:

The good quality meat from Australia will damage UK farmers and will also make a total difference of 0.02% difference to trade which will take 15 years to achieve.

I've never met a poor farmer , all our farmers drive big 4×4, have had new farm houses built , average cost of a beef joint £10 plus , would be nice to pay cheaper , 

When in spain buy in Spanish shops , they need the help , 

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 11:10am

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 11:10am

Bencr85 wrote on Thu Jul 1, 2021 9:55am:

Why not buy clothes in spain , my mrs in la zenia boulevard spent a small fortune ,  plenty off great shops , the shops nead all the help you Europeans can do , us brexiteers did our bit , travelled to Spain and spent money , for us in Britain this brexit is starting to pay dividends,  ...

...hopefully good quality meat from Australia,  the east Europeans have stopped flooding in , wages going up , soon will be back to full employment,  just need to work out problems with northern Ireland!

This good quality meat, complete with almost 10,000 air miles?

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/jun/06/nearly-half-of-australias-cattle-is-treated-with-growth-hormones-is-it-safe-to-eat

for us in Britain this Brexit is starting to pay dividends, hopefully good quality meat from Australia”. Really? I would have thought that you would rather “buy British” and support the British farmers.

As Stephanie pointed out earlier in a different thread, consumer demands, for out of season fresh fruit, vegetables and fresh flowers, have to be grown somewhere. British beef is never out of season. 🤪🥂

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The problem will not be so noticeable for the large farmer barons on their prairie estates, but will mainly affect smaller independent family farms in Scotland and Wales. Higher quality production methods and higher animal welfare standards in uk farming have a greater net cost, which means that cheap imports will inevitably undercut their position. Already over the past few years, the suicide rate amongst small farmers has risen exponentially, due mainly to an inability to compete and make a living. I understand that the nett income of some farmers is lower than 10K per annum.

So, no, neither lower welfare USA beef or chicken, nor Australian, is a good idea.

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 12:16pm

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Stephanie86 wrote on Thu Jul 1, 2021 11:55am:

The problem will not be so noticeable for the large farmer barons on their prairie estates, but will mainly affect smaller independent family farms in Scotland and Wales. Higher quality production methods and higher animal welfare standards in uk farming have a greater net cost, which means that ...

...cheap imports will inevitably undercut their position. Already over the past few years, the suicide rate amongst small farmers has risen exponentially, due mainly to an inability to compete and make a living. I understand that the nett income of some farmers is lower than 10K per annum.

So, no, neither lower welfare USA beef or chicken, nor Australian, is a good idea.

When you say 'the last few years' do you mean when the UK was in the EU?

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 12:42pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 12:42pm

Stephanie86 wrote on Thu Jul 1, 2021 11:55am:

The problem will not be so noticeable for the large farmer barons on their prairie estates, but will mainly affect smaller independent family farms in Scotland and Wales. Higher quality production methods and higher animal welfare standards in uk farming have a greater net cost, which means that ...

...cheap imports will inevitably undercut their position. Already over the past few years, the suicide rate amongst small farmers has risen exponentially, due mainly to an inability to compete and make a living. I understand that the nett income of some farmers is lower than 10K per annum.

So, no, neither lower welfare USA beef or chicken, nor Australian, is a good idea.

So true Stephanie.

Although born a “townie”, I’ve spent much of my adult life around and in farming communities. As you say, it’s the small independents that will suffer. Many farms are inherited, parent to son/daughter. Often, they’re between a rock and a hard place; very small profit margins, so small that often, they can’t even sell up, no one wants them.

Not known to me personally, but two farmers in my area, in the last few years, committing suicide, leaving their families to continue the struggle for a decent living

On a lighter note, if anyone can find me a “quality” beef joint costing £10, let me know! 🤪🥂

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Posted: Thu Jul 1, 2021 2:18pm

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Angebadge wrote on Thu Jul 1, 2021 12:42pm:

So true Stephanie.

Although born a “townie”, I’ve spent much of my adult life around and in farming communities. As you say, it’s the small independents that will suffer. Many farms are inherited, parent to son/daughter. Often, they’re between a rock and a hard place; very small profit margins, so small t...

...hat often, they can’t even sell up, no one wants them.

Not known to me personally, but two farmers in my area, in the last few years, committing suicide, leaving their families to continue the struggle for a decent living

On a lighter note, if anyone can find me a “quality” beef joint costing £10, let me know! 🤪🥂

Yes, Ange, and it’s not an easy black and white answer. In reply to the previous poster who wants me to fall into the trap of agreeing that it started whilst in the EU(!), technically , yes, it has got worse over the past few years whilst in the EU. However, that doesn’t have that much to do with it, it’s been an unfortunate combination of drastic and unexpected weather events in many cases, which have increased feed costs, animal deaths due to weather especially in sheep farming I believe, increased legislation etc etc. And they are not all able to diversify into, say, making expensive ice cream etc, in part due to the capital investment required.

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Posted: Fri Jul 2, 2021 1:10am

camelia wrote on Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:49am:

Australian beef is one I think!

I lived in Australia for 8 years . the beef isn't that good .

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Posted: Fri Jul 2, 2021 11:11am

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Goldie wrote on Fri Jul 2, 2021 1:10am:

I lived in Australia for 8 years . the beef isn't that good .

That's your opinion,  so basically the rich can buy Scottish beef, the poor can buy Australian beef , I've had meat in Australia,  Florida,  Argentina,  Mexico,  Chile,  new York,  to me it all tasted fantastic,  but the price was amazingly different,  £180 for 2 in New York,  £25 in Mexico,  best steak was in chumley arms burton coggles near Grantham,  fresh off the cow, British beef ! You have to cater for poor families,  or is life just about the rich ! 

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Posted: Fri Jul 2, 2021 1:11pm

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Bencr85 wrote on Fri Jul 2, 2021 11:11am:

That's your opinion,  so basically the rich can buy Scottish beef, the poor can buy Australian beef , I've had meat in Australia,  Florida,  Argentina,  Mexico,  Chile,  new York,  to me it all tasted fantastic,  but the price was amazingly different, ...

... £180 for 2 in New York,  £25 in Mexico,  best steak was in chumley arms burton coggles near Grantham,  fresh off the cow, British beef ! You have to cater for poor families,  or is life just about the rich ! 

Whilst agreeing with your last sentence, as far as the differing prices you quote, were these in restaurants? Where one is not only paying the cost of the meat, but the staffing, ambience, General overheads including very expensive rental no doubt in New York?

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