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coletea

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:07pm

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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:07pm

jimtaylor wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:16am:

Alan, as you know, if John can't find it then I've no chance of coming up with any other ideas. Most of what I know I learned from Geoff and John.

My gut feel is that if you can hear the water running back from the filter, then that would only happen if air is getting into the filter itself, rather than being a problem underground, but you would then be able to hear a hissing as air is drawn in. I assume you've checked the seal on the press...

...ure gauge fitting and the bleed valve on the filter. Other things I'd do would be to close the valves on the sump, skim and waste pipes; and also set the multi-port valve to closed. If air is still drawn in, then I'm stumped.

Our scimmers arnt working, pool man has looked and is coming back sometime to pressure clean. The pool has a black water edge and steps, are we safe to use it and how can we clean it without emptying it to regrout? Please

Richard080943

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:02pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:02pm

Hi Ajip

The cap at the top of the filter is either screw on or bolt on.  In either case you must tighten both as I suspect that that is the problem.  Let us know how you get on.

Kind regards

Richard

Ajp

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:36pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:36pm

Hello Richard Thanks for getting back to me, everything is airtight regarding the pump and the sandfilter all gaskets been changed and all the valves have been checked. I have had the lines pressure tested but still cannot find how air is still getting in. Alan.

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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:47pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:47pm

Hi Alan

Sometimes the Spanish do not put PTFE tape on the pressure gauge, try tightening it or otherwise unscrew it and check, have some more tape handy.....   The other common problem is the suction outlet.   Buy some 2 pack polyputty and put it around the fitting, costs about 3 euros.  I bet that does the job!!

Best of luck!

Norrie

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:03pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:03pm

jimtaylor wrote on Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:03pm:

Hi Alan. I assume you've read part 6 of my pool guide.

You can run the circulation with the sump return turned off, but doing that for any length of time means the lower water isn't circulated, which might lead to chemical or algae problems.

I'm surprised that specialists haven't found the problem, as it definitely sounds like air getting into the system when the circulation isn't running. With the circulation running, try stopping it and having a good listen, in case you can hear a hissing noise as air is drawn in. If it loses prime while the circulation is running, there must be a serious air leak somewhere, and I hope for your sake that isn't underground.

As regards the pump/motor, many are self-priming and also happy to be run dry e.g. the most popular type locally the Espa Silen range. When I repaired my pump/motor recently, I had it running dry on my bench for a few hours, to ensure it was OK, and when I was draining the pool and removing the post-floods several inches of mud, I must have run it dry while it self primed for several hours.

Last thought - has John Cox had a look at it?

My pool has been leaking and today I had a pressure test done which is quite expensive. The problem is the bottom drain which to cut costs the pool people can put a bung in to stop leaking and the pool can run ok. Otherwise I have to let them dig down to find the leak which I'm reluctant to do. Is this helpful?

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Richard080943

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:43pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:43pm

Hi Norrie

Try the sealant around the skimmer port, costs little, could save you a lot!

jimtaylor

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:00pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:00pm

Norrie wrote on Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:03pm:

My pool has been leaking and today I had a pressure test done which is quite expensive. The problem is the bottom drain which to cut costs the pool people can put a bung in to stop leaking and the pool can run ok. Otherwise I have to let them dig down to find the leak which I'm reluctant to do. I...

...s this helpful?

Digging down to find the leak could result in major excavation, but if you don't get it sorted then the lower water in the pool won't get circulated properly, which could result in problems. A good pool man will just dig down enough to block off the existing pipe, and will then do some excavation of the pool floor and wall so a new pipe can be run to the pump cassette. It's a major job, but not as bad as excavating the original pipe to find out where the problem is.

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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:02pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:02pm

Alan - just a thought. When you changed the spider gasket on the multi-port valve, did you also change the seal on the shaft of the valve?

Ajp

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:24am

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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:24am

Hello Jim, I didn't change the seal on the shaft. I have found that if I open the skimmer valve fully and the main drain valve to half open the pump stays primed but still has air in the system and get large bubbles coming out of the return jets for around 5 seconds.I dont have any sign of water leaks in the pump house or around the multivalve I'm also thinking of getting the system pressure tested again. I have tried all whats been suggested and grateful for all the help given. Thanks again Alan. p.s I will change the seal on the shaft.

Carol066

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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:13pm

Ajp wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:39am:

Hello Jim I turned off the main drain valve and the pump held its prime but air still got in the system with bubbles coming out of the return jets. I had replaced the seals on the pump and sandfilter and also checked the pressure gauge and air release valve which are airtight John also checked th...

...em. I have been turning all the valves off and putting the multi valve on closed late afternoon and then turning all back on in the morning but doing this only stops the pump losing prime.I still have air in the system.Alan.

Hi, Just a couple of ideas.  Has your filter system and pump been raised up at any time. Some people are tempted to do this with in ground pools, because you have to get on your hands and knees to work the valves, clean the filter ect. Make sure that the water in the pool is up to the centre of the filter slot. Open the filter valve in the pump box, and unscrew the pump filter top. Water should flow out ( may need a mop and bucket). Close the valve. If water flowed out OK, right height.

Check the rubber seal on the filter top, and tighten well, so no air can get in.

When you vacuum, alot of air gets in the system. When I first start I leave the filter valve half open. So that the pump gets water while sucking the air through the vacuum hose. You can hear when the air stops, then close the filter valve.

NEVER turn the directional valve to backwash with the pump running, always switch off first before touching this valve.

Always switch off before removing the vacuum hose, and turn off the vacuum valve before starting again so no air gets in.

Just a few ideas, as I have been looking after my pool for 14 years. As you say, It should be a sealed system. 

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