Boris Johnson to cabinet we must get the economy moving ,Pritti Patel ,I have a plan we will put anyone entering UK into quarantine for 14 days ,get the posters printed come to UK and spend 14 days in a hotel or guest house ,also if you want a holiday this year take 4 weeks off to go on a 2 week holiday ,is it just me that doesn't get it
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:51am
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What is it you don't get? I'm no expert but happy to attempt to explain things if I can.
Web Designer Guy wrote on Sat May 23, 2020 7:51am:
What is it you don't get? I'm no expert but happy to attempt to explain things if I can.
What I dont get is for a government that says it wants to get the economy moving and says it is trying to save jobs this is a contradiction, this will cost jobs and cost travel companies to go bust ,why dont.they test people as they enter the country
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:29am
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As I am new to Spain and the way the Spanish government operates, also not speaking the language I can not give a opinion on the rights and wrongs in Spain, but born and bred, living and working in England, it’s just another parliament that does not seem to know what it is doing, total chaos, so if you live in Spain follow the rules, if you live in the UK do as you please. Stay safe and healthy everyone.
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:37am
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Because there is no instant test. Plus, and I may be wrong on this, but I believe this is the case, that you can still be a carrier of the virus but test negative. But mostly, because there isn't an instant test. Even if there was, how would it work?
Again, I'm not 100% on this, but the average Easyjet plane has 180 seats. Heathrow has about 1800 planes a day landing. Let's knock that number right back to 300 a day on average per airport. That's 54,000 people a day to be tested in airports. Can you even begin to imagine the infrastructure needed for such an undertaking, not to mention the delays it would cause?
It's neither feasible or even possible to test people coming in.
Again, I've figures to hand, but the percentage of "business" that requires free-flowing international travel to operate I would guess is tiny, far less than 1% I'd suggest. So, the quarantine restrictions will have a minimal effect on business in general, and people getting back, and so the economy.
My usual caveat: I'm not supporting the decision, or the government, or anything, just trying to give you an answer, but that may well be wrong.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:43am
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Peter3473 wrote on Sat May 23, 2020 9:29am:
As I am new to Spain and the way the Spanish government operates, also not speaking the language I can not give a opinion on the rights and wrongs in Spain, but born and bred, living and working in England, it’s just another parliament that does not seem to know what it is doing, total chaos, s...
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...o if you live in Spain follow the rules, if you live in the UK do as you please. Stay safe and healthy everyone.
so if you live in Spain follow the rules, if you live in the UK do as you please
Strange advice! If Uk citizens do as they please, as in, go out and get on as if everything is normal, the UK is going to get a 2nd wave (which is inevitable anyway). If that happens the chances of being allowed into any country, especially Spain, reduces.
So really, be great if everyone could stick to the rules, least then we stand a chance of getting back into the country lots of us love (Spain).
Or, be like that twat in the video doing the rounds, who is standing near the beach (not sure where), surrounding by people with zero social-distancing, beer in hand, complaining about the people who are breaking the rules. Seemingly oblivious to the fact he is one of those idiots he's complaining about!
Darwin awards right there!
Thanks for taking time to reply ,as many countries are beginning to ease restrictions on travel ,this appears to me to be another example of something that has not been thought out properly ,its a case of better late than never .I'm sure you will agree that the amount of people willing to travel when it's possible will be very little under these restrictions ,so I can see airlines going bust ,travel companies going bust that leads to redundancies ,they have been trialling heat detection at Heathrow to tell whether people have the virus ,how reliable this is ,I cant say ,but it shows that organisations are trialling methods to try and get planes flying again
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:49am
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Look on the bright side we can all go to southend beach instead ( if there's any room left ) 😁
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:57am
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Web Designer Guy wrote on Sat May 23, 2020 9:43am:
so if you live in Spain follow the rules, if you live in the UK do as you please
Strange advice! If Uk citizens do as they please, as in, go out and get on as if everything is normal, the UK is going to get a 2nd wave (which is inevitable anyway). If that happens the chances of being allowed into any country, especially Spain, reduces. ...
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So really, be great if everyone could stick to the rules, least then we stand a chance of getting back into the country lots of us love (Spain).
Or, be like that twat in the video doing the rounds, who is standing near the beach (not sure where), surrounding by people with zero social-distancing, beer in hand, complaining about the people who are breaking the rules. Seemingly oblivious to the fact he is one of those idiots he's complaining about!
Darwin awards right there!
Definitely not advice, but what we have seen, read, either true or false news the British government could not run a p-up in a brewery and I feel a lot safer here in Spain than I would in the UK, and going back to the original post, I don’t get what the UK government are doing or saying, but then again each to their own.
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 10:05am
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John 52 wrote on Sat May 23, 2020 9:45am:
Thanks for taking time to reply ,as many countries are beginning to ease restrictions on travel ,this appears to me to be another example of something that has not been thought out properly ,its a case of better late than never .I'm sure you will agree that the amount of people willing to t...
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...ravel when it's possible will be very little under these restrictions ,so I can see airlines going bust ,travel companies going bust that leads to redundancies ,they have been trialling heat detection at Heathrow to tell whether people have the virus ,how reliable this is ,I cant say ,but it shows that organisations are trialling methods to try and get planes flying again
I'm sure you will agree that the amount of people willing to travel when it's possible will be very little under these restrictions
I think that's the general idea. I'd say the new measures are there to put people off casual travel, and I suspect it will do just that.
,so I can see airlines going bust ,travel companies going bust that leads to redundancies
Very likely too. Travel companies for sure, but as much to do with the fact that the traditional travel agent has been in decline for ten years and this was the final nail etc. As for the airlines... The owners of many of them are often fabulously wealthy, they have taken huge sums of money out of their airline businesses over the years and now refuse to put some back in to keep them afloat. So ya, many will go pop, and jobs will be lost, but that's just a fact of coronavirus. THOUSANDS of businesses will disappear in the next six months and millions will lose their jobs.
If policy was made to suit certain business sectors, where does it stop? Let people travel freely to protect the airlines? Let the bars open to protect the drinks sector? Etc.
The Spanish Flu pandemic didn't do much harm in the first wave, mostly because there wasn't that much movement of people. Once the war ended there was a mass movement of people which caused the 2nd wave, and this 2nd wave did the damage in terms of human life.
It's fair to say far more strict travel restrictions should have been put in place much sooner in the UK, but better late than never. Perhaps.
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