Unsettling news that will need to be considered if you are making plans to travel to Spain after we exit the EU on 31 st December. - Page 2

Do you ever wonder if it’s worth saying anything on here.   If you say a wrong word they are right on you.    

If you say 'wrong things' why wouldn't people challenge them? 

Found this.    If Spain can have agreement with Australia then why not with the U.K.     I’ve argued second home INVESTORS in Spain should have a special visa,  I was shot down for saying that on here as usual    🙈.     We are investors not TOURISTS like the Australian TOURISTS who use this Bilateral visa  waiver , and move on. We have a Vested interest.   So if they can have it we should also have it.        
     Bilateral visa waiver and other reciprocal agreements

Australia has bilateral visa waiver and other reciprocal agreements with several countries in the Schengen area. These agreements may allow you to spend up to 60 or 90 days in the country for tourism, regardless of stays in other Schengen countries.

Bilateral visa waiver and other reciprocal agreement countries include:

• Austria
• Belgium
• Denmark
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• Iceland
• Italy
• Luxembourg
• The Netherlands
• Norway
• Spain
• Sweden

Using bilateral visa waiver agreements in combination with Schengen visa-free arrangements is complex. Each country operates the visa waiver agreements in its own way. Most countries require you to use the visa waiver agreement at the end of your Schengen area travel.

Countries can change their entry or exit requirements at short notice. Before you travel, consult the nearest embassy or consulate of these countries for the latest details on how they operate bilateral visa waiver and other reciprocal agreements.  
  

Hi,

    the original post was about the rules with regards to non-EU countries and coronavirus and you are now talking about Schengen access after Brexit. The two are separate issues.

   I can understand why the EU would not want to make are concessions on Schengen whilst the trade deals discussions are going on. I would hope that after December 31st there can be some concessions on the entry allowance for UK citizens into Europe but that is to be seen. Certainly I would agree that second home owners could be considered as special given their financial commitment to the country. Personally I can work quite happily with the 90 days in any 180 rule but I know it will affect a lot of people who like to come for extended stays but do mot want residency. 

  Re the coronavirus rules, why not just extend the access period for UK citizens for 6 months, it's probably better all round for the EU and the UK. Of course dynamic thinking and rapid change is not the forte of the EU bureaucracy so may not happen!

AItch.

You are probably right , I should have said ... many of us ! However,  it is not something I have heard discussed before or raised before. It may be obvious , as you say, when we leave on the 31 December , but is it hasn’t been a talking point on this site when people have been asking for travel advice. Many people on here aren’t aware of the clearly and regularly  stated differences for travel and staying in Spain as these posts reveal, and certainly no one has raised the problems of covid restrictions, because of the fact that we are now a Third Party Country, with regard to their travel plans . It was meant to be a helpful post and I’m sure many people would find this another unsettling piece of information to take into consideration , when they are juggling with the do’s and dont’s of travel. 

I also do know the difference between non and none but predictive text and using a French keyboard can sometimes throw up these anomalies. 

I have only read the part of the article here, so not seen it in context, but there is one sentence claiming Norway would stop British citizens who do not living in the country from coming in after Janyary 1st. This is not possible. It makes me question the validity of the whole article. How well researchd is it? Who are their sources? Is it pure journalistic speculations?

Hi Sheila.  I’m sure that reply was for Chuckie but I had written one to him too sticking up for you but you know what, people like that are just not worth the time we take out of our lives to answer to.   He’s just ignorant.  Everyone would have read None and said to themselves ,well some wouldn’t have of course but we didn’t feel the need to say that. We are grown ups who can read the message you were giving.   We all read “non” as “none” , he must have really enjoyed correcting you , who does that? Seriously? but everyone knows you missed an “e” and actually you can spell lol.   I’m glad you posted that info, It is awful info for some people ,me for one,  who simply need to get back to check their second homes or desperately need a break.  Flights will be rearranged yet again and ferries too.   

Wrong in your opinion 

Unfortunately  you get tossers  every ware  these sad little sods get off on it ( punctuation police ) curtain twitches  we all no the sort 🤣 .but I agree there is no need for it 

Mack

I've seen more or less the same article in the Guardian yesterday and today in the Daily Mail, usually opposite ends of political opinion, so you can assume the FT article to be correct. I did read that EU countries have the freedom not to implement the ban, at a country level, i.e. Spain could allow access if they wanted regardless of the other EU countries.  

Aitch.