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Alfapash

Posted: Mon Nov 1, 2021 1:07pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 1, 2021 1:07pm

Daggers wrote on Mon Nov 1, 2021 11:49am:

Where would you suggest the Government finds the funds for adult social care and much needed monies for the NHS... 

Don't believe everything you read or hear in the press/TV. A massive amount of money is wasted. My partner works in the NHS for 30 year's and see's only to well what goes on. Too many vanity projects. Many come to nothing, with big contracts to business like Price Waterhouse Cooper for example earning ££££££'s

Social care is something she is working on at the moment. A big factor is the vast majority of care homes are private.  Under the law the government cannot give out money to Private business. They can't fund them as they don't with the steel industry for instance. Some money does go via Councils for residents that can't fund themselves, but not actually the full cost is covered by the council. The bulk of the money comes from self- funders, people who pay for their care in full, thats why care costs are so high because the high cost helps to suppliment others that have no money or homes to sell. That is how it works. Many care homes are now large business's, Quantum care and many others. As a business they want to make profits.  This is a big problem. Just like the car tax that was supposed to be for repairing the road network, the increase in NI will just go into the pot of the exchequer. The government has its eye on the prize of making the NHS so bad that it cannot cope and it will say its just not working and then it will be privatised to a large extent. Its already happening but under the radar. Try to find an NHS dentist, you'll be very lucky to find any that will take you on. Eye tests paid for, unless your a child, on benefits or old. My neighbour needed her ears cleaning as she was having trouble hearing, she was told at the doctors, they didn't do that anymore, not even the nurse could do it and was given the number of a clinic, who was only to happy to do it for £50. If you think the NI hike will be ring-fenced for either it won't be.

I always say if those that are supposed to be running the country were to go for an interview for such a postion, they wouldn't even get an interview.

Paul

Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 11:02am

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 11:02am

Daggers wrote on Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:33pm:

Absolutely, if we had the likes of Captain Highsight, Angela Raynor, Diana Abbott Lisa Nandy, God the list goes on, would have been much better, well funny at least.. 😉 😁 😃 🤩 

Does it not make you cringe when the PM of this country uses childish insults such as Captain Hindsight in parliament during something as serious as a pandemic while the UK has recorded more deaths than any other country in Europe? Before Christmas last year, Starmer opposed opening up for Christmas and Johnson was accusing him of trying to cancel Christmas, shortly after that Johnson U turned with no mention of Starmer's foresight.

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 3:54pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 3:54pm

John 52 wrote on Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:54am:

I'd wait until it happens ,but you have to be careful  about putting ideas in Mr Johnsons head the more things are talked about the more they could become reality ,this is what happened with Quarantine hotels certainly no laughing matter if you had to stay in one 

Spain doesn't have quarantine hotels. Deemed illegal according to human rights law.

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 3:58pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 3:58pm

Alfapash wrote on Mon Nov 1, 2021 11:19am:

I agree John, but don't forget the Labour party have being voting for all the lockdowns and have gone along with more or less everything the idiot has done. In fact, although I can't stand this Tory government. Starmer would have us in plan B or worse now. They are all utterly useless and couldn'...

...t run a childs party. Why people can't see whats been going on is beyond me. The poor are about to get much poorer and the people in the middle even worse. The rich it won't touch.

The increase on National insurance is a tax on workers and employers. How will that help the economy? People need more money in their pockets to spend and boost the economy, not flatten it or destroy it.

Where are the dignified, honest politicians that look at the whole picture, not just what benefits them?

Paul

Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:10pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:10pm

Bodil wrote on Tue Nov 9, 2021 3:58pm:

Where are the dignified, honest politicians that look at the whole picture, not just what benefits them?

What has Starter done that's dishonest? He's backed the lockdown rather than play politics, he can't do right for doing wrong.

Give me a leader who's been knighted for his service to law and criminal justice over one sacked twice for lying anytime.

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Daggers

Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:16pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:16pm

Paul wrote on Tue Nov 9, 2021 4:10pm:

What has Starter done that's dishonest? He's backed the lockdown rather than play politics, he can't do right for doing wrong.

Give me a leader who's been knighted for his service to law and criminal justice over one sacked twice for lying anytime.

Starter, as u call him is completely useless, Captain Hindsight very appropriate, whilst people point the finger at Boris and the way he lead the UK through the most difficult period in our history since maybe world war 2, there is nothing in the opposing bench's that u can say yeah that man or women stands out and would be brilliant and have lead the country far better, Labour lose John Smith sadly to soon, who was a brilliant parliamentarian, but since then nothing, Labour front and back bench's, come on embarrassing, not addressed Anti semiminsum, have Raynor in a senior position who regards people who vote Conservative Scum...it is what it is, and decisions were made, be it wrong or right but they had to make decisions quickly, like the famous quote in Zulu, private to Colour Sergeant, why us Sergeant because we are here and nobody else... 

Paul

Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:36pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:36pm

Daggers wrote on Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:16pm:

Starter, as u call him is completely useless, Captain Hindsight very appropriate, whilst people point the finger at Boris and the way he lead the UK through the most difficult period in our history since maybe world war 2, there is nothing in the opposing bench's that u can say yeah that man or w...

...omen stands out and would be brilliant and have lead the country far better, Labour lose John Smith sadly to soon, who was a brilliant parliamentarian, but since then nothing, Labour front and back bench's, come on embarrassing, not addressed Anti semiminsum, have Raynor in a senior position who regards people who vote Conservative Scum...it is what it is, and decisions were made, be it wrong or right but they had to make decisions quickly, like the famous quote in Zulu, private to Colour Sergeant, why us Sergeant because we are here and nobody else... 

Starter was an autocorrect as you probably realised, can you give me a couple of examples of his hindsight? Last year he said we shouldn't open up for Christmas and Johnson accused him of trying to cancel Christmas, Johnson then U turned and cancelled christmas, hardly hindsight there. Johnson has lied his way to the top and he's overseen masive corruption, while tory donors have become fabulously wealthy at the expense of the tax payer, he's willing to go back on a deal he signed with the EU in good faith and tries blaming them for it.

I don't agree with Raynor's language but she speaks from the heart and when you see last week's attempt to get their cheating mate off when he was caught out and reading that MP Geoffry Cox has earned £900k while working in the Cayman Islands when he should be representing his constituents, I don't think she's too far off the mark even if her language was less than parliamentary, this is the worst government in my lifetime, driven by the self serving ideology of the ERG, we've lost freedoms so they can keep their tax evading chums away from scrutiny. Decent tories like Rory Stewart, Anna Soubrey and Ken Clarke all shown the door because they wouldn't get behind brexit, a party where there's no room for alternative views is very worrying.

You might find this interesting.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/boris-has-travelled-further-than-the-earths-circumference-to-dodge-scrutiny-300556/?utm_medium=onesignal&utm_source=onesignalwp&utm_campaign=sitepush

John 52

Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:38pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:38pm

Daggers wrote on Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:16pm:

Starter, as u call him is completely useless, Captain Hindsight very appropriate, whilst people point the finger at Boris and the way he lead the UK through the most difficult period in our history since maybe world war 2, there is nothing in the opposing bench's that u can say yeah that man or w...

...omen stands out and would be brilliant and have lead the country far better, Labour lose John Smith sadly to soon, who was a brilliant parliamentarian, but since then nothing, Labour front and back bench's, come on embarrassing, not addressed Anti semiminsum, have Raynor in a senior position who regards people who vote Conservative Scum...it is what it is, and decisions were made, be it wrong or right but they had to make decisions quickly, like the famous quote in Zulu, private to Colour Sergeant, why us Sergeant because we are here and nobody else... 

Some people  cant see wood for the trees ,it does nobody any good to have a useless  PM ,who is up to his neck in muck ,I'm no fan of Keir Starmer  ,and I do think that at this time party politics should be put aside 

Daggers

Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:42pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:42pm

John 52 wrote on Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:38pm:

Some people  cant see wood for the trees ,it does nobody any good to have a useless  PM ,who is up to his neck in muck ,I'm no fan of Keir Starmer  ,and I do think that at this time party politics should be put aside 

Oh dear the labourites seem to be all upset, let's pray to to her holiness Ms Abbott... 😉 😁 😃 🤩 🤓 

Paul

Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:45pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:45pm

Daggers wrote on Tue Nov 9, 2021 5:42pm:

Oh dear the labourites seem to be all upset, let's pray to to her holiness Ms Abbott... 😉 😁 😃 🤩 🤓 

When the argument is lost wheel out Diane Abbott, tory whataboutery at its finest.

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