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The unintended consequences of Brexit ?

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:07pm
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Kelvin1960

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I took this from a Facebook page this morning.

Interested to know if this opinion resonates with the factual experience of members of this forum.

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"We’ve just returned from a Murcia trip to view some potential ‘Holiday / looking to retirement age homes’.. this was our second trip the first being in February. In one Urbanización more than others there is this overwhelming support for ‘Brexit’ and wanting to leave the EU..!! Yet the residents appear to be leaving in droves back to the UK, some can’t sell their properties, those which have done have done at a very low price, People are moaning about health care worries, worried about their futures after living in Spain for so many years etc... the amount of properties up for sale since February was shocking.

But the best one I heard while ‘earwigging’ was a woman in her late 60’s saying she’s voted to leave because of immigration... yet she’s having to stop working and is considering returning to the UK because after all of her years in Spain the relevant authorities have clamped down on her because she didn’t have residential status...!! She’s spent the last 18 or so years working illegally and now she’s blaming the Spanish for being the way they are.."

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:36pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:36pm

Do you really believe all you read on Facebook.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:34pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:34pm

Kelvin1960 wrote on Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:07pm:

I took this from a Facebook page this morning.

Interested to know if this opinion resonates with the factual experience of members of this forum.

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"We’ve just returned from a Murcia trip to view some potential ‘Holiday / looking to retirement age homes’.. this was our second trip the first being in February. In one Urbanización more than others there is this overwhelming support for ‘Brexit’ and wanting to leave the EU..!! Yet the residents appear to be leaving in droves back to the UK, some can’t sell their properties, those which have done have done at a very low price, People are moaning about health care worries, worried about their futures after living in Spain for so many years etc... the amount of properties up for sale since February was shocking.

But the best one I heard while ‘earwigging’ was a woman in her late 60’s saying she’s voted to leave because of immigration... yet she’s having to stop working and is considering returning to the UK because after all of her years in Spain the relevant authorities have clamped down on her because she didn’t have residential status...!! She’s spent the last 18 or so years working illegally and now she’s blaming the Spanish for being the way they are.."

Sounds familiar.

The reason the residencia and holiday rental licence systems are blocked up is because of those who haven't bothered for years panicking over the word 'legal'.

A member of my extended family in the UK voted brexit because the Pakistani guy opposite keeps parking outside her house. I did point out that Pakistanis aren't affected by brexit, but it hasn't sunk in yet 😉

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:16pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:16pm

HeatherBob wrote on Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:36pm:

Do you really believe all you read on Facebook.

No.

That's why I asked this forum for factual experience.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:05pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:05pm

Its rather hard to be factual given the name of the urbanization was not given so i cannot comment if Brits are leaving in droves and selling houses at low prices, maybe you can contact this person on Facebook and clarify which urb it is.

I can however give my view on the Facebook "best one i heard", purely my own opinion off course. I voted for brexit and can say immigration was one of the reasons i voted out, however i have never had an issue with the EU citizens working in or coming into Britain, my "gripe" lay solely at the amount of African & others flooding the country under the guise of refugee status, off course the remainers would say i was against EU citizens but i am not, unless off course they happen to be Syrian or Somalian or similar that have gained EU residency far easier in the EU than i can gain residency in Spain or France.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:24pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:24pm

I'm not quite sure where you are coming from.

How is brexit going to control the amount of African & others flooding the country under the guise of refugee status? If they aren't EU citizens they are turned back at the UK border.

If they, and Syrian or Somalian people come to the border having achieved EU citizenship in another EU country, of course they are allowed into the UK, just as you are allowed into Spain, France etc.

Spanish residency doesn't give them the right of access to the UK. All that demonstrates is the lack of compassion the UK has to those fleeing hostile environments compared to the compassion shown by other EU states, particularly France Germany and Spain. Even Hungary opened its borders to more refugees than the UK did.

As for your difficulties getting residency in Spain, at present that is down not to the Spanish authorities but the vast number of brits living here illegally and wanting to get legal before brexit. Prior to that there was no problem gaining residency, as long as you fulfilled the requirements.

However, post brexit that will all change.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:39pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:39pm

Never said I was having a problem getting Spanish residency.

And I would agree, your not quite sure where I am coming from.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:06pm

HeatherBob wrote on Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:39pm:

Never said I was having a problem getting Spanish residency.

And I would agree, your not quite sure where I am coming from.

No, but you did say "that have gained EU residency far easier in the EU than i can gain residency in Spain or France"

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:01pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:01pm

I did say that which is entirely different from saying I am having problems gaining residency, fact is we are undecided if we want residency "at this time", I shall not go into reasons.

The fact stands that Brits coming to Spain must abide by the laws of the country and jump through hoops to gain residency while it seems so called refugees need only jump in a dingy to become EU citizens.

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:38pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:38pm

HeatherBob wrote on Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:05pm:

Its rather hard to be factual given the name of the urbanization was not given so i cannot comment if Brits are leaving in droves and selling houses at low prices, maybe you can contact this person on Facebook and clarify which urb it is.

I can however give my view on the Facebook "best one i heard", purely my own opinion off course. I voted for brexit and can say immigration was one of the reasons i voted out, however i have never had an issue with the EU citizens working in or coming into Britain, my "gripe" lay solely at the am...

...ount of African & others flooding the country under the guise of refugee status, off course the remainers would say i was against EU citizens but i am not, unless off course they happen to be Syrian or Somalian or similar that have gained EU residency far easier in the EU than i can gain residency in Spain or France.

This isn't the debate that I was interested in, but as you raise the issue, the treatment and settlement of international refugees (from civil war and/or ethnic conflict) is governed under a body of international laws and norms that pre-dated the recent African refugee crisis. 

The EU coordinated its response. 

Without the EU, all we "rich" countries would have still have resettled refugees under burden-sharing agreements. The EU just made it a little better coordinated.  

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