swcoulthurst wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 9:33pm:
This shows the validity of the figures. Unfortunately the file is too big !!
UK Cases 4404882 - Deaths 127428
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Spain cases 3468617 - Deaths 77591
Figures as at 21/4
Hi swcoulthurst
It's not surprising that UK figures are higher - as the population of UK is around 20 million higher packed into a much smaller area.
Posted: Wed May 5, 2021 1:30pm
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SopFlo wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 11:40am:
Hi swcoulthurst
It's not surprising that UK figures are higher - as the population of UK is around 20 million higher packed into a much smaller area.
I agree, but surely it is safer to allow people to travel to much less densely populated areas. There are 3 areas in Spain that are keeping the figures up, the main one being Madrid, not the costas. The whole idea of this by the UK is to keep people home by pricing out travel with the add ons of tests etc and spend the money back in the UK to boost the economy there. According to the UK government everyone is now entitled to 2 free tests a week, yet they have to PAY for the tests when they return.
swcoulthurst wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 1:30pm:
I agree, but surely it is safer to allow people to travel to much less densely populated areas. There are 3 areas in Spain that are keeping the figures up, the main one being Madrid, not the costas. The whole idea of this by the UK is to keep people home by pricing out travel with the add ons of ...
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...tests etc and spend the money back in the UK to boost the economy there. According to the UK government everyone is now entitled to 2 free tests a week, yet they have to PAY for the tests when they return.
If Spain kept in place restrictions on internal movement there might be some logic to this.
Posted: Wed May 5, 2021 3:06pm
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Lancelot wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 2:44pm:
If Spain kept in place restrictions on internal movement there might be some logic to this.
Its not Spanish internal movement. I can't leave Valencia region, yet other nationalities can come here on holiday. That's why the Spanish are complaining about movement from France, Belgium and Germany. The internal movement in 'Spain' has been very strict now for quite a while. Which is why many areas have the virus under control. The valencia region is one of the lowest and Murcia has relaxed its curfew to 11pm.
Posted: Wed May 5, 2021 3:06pm
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swcoulthurst wrote on Sat May 1, 2021 9:33pm:
This shows the validity of the figures. Unfortunately the file is too big !!
UK Cases 4404882 - Deaths 127428
Read more...
Spain cases 3468617 - Deaths 77591
Figures as at 21/4
Whilst that is true (over the period of over a year) it is not what matters now. What matters is the current rate of infection and the vaccination rate. The only thing we have done well is the vaccination rate which will (should) ensure that our rate remains low - we jave been fortunate in this respect because otherwise you could almost guarantee that the UK would have become the worst again in europe.
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Posted: Wed May 5, 2021 3:09pm
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swcoulthurst wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 1:30pm:
I agree, but surely it is safer to allow people to travel to much less densely populated areas. There are 3 areas in Spain that are keeping the figures up, the main one being Madrid, not the costas. The whole idea of this by the UK is to keep people home by pricing out travel with the add ons of ...
Read more...
...tests etc and spend the money back in the UK to boost the economy there. According to the UK government everyone is now entitled to 2 free tests a week, yet they have to PAY for the tests when they return.
Figures show that in previous lock-downs a major cause of infection has been foreign travel so hardly surprising that UK advisors are asking the government to be sensible with this. Every person travelling in increases our risk.
swcoulthurst wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 3:06pm:
Its not Spanish internal movement. I can't leave Valencia region, yet other nationalities can come here on holiday. That's why the Spanish are complaining about movement from France, Belgium and Germany. The internal movement in 'Spain' has been very strict now for quite a while. Which is why man...
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...y areas have the virus under control. The valencia region is one of the lowest and Murcia has relaxed its curfew to 11pm.
That's the other problem, freedom of movement. Not great during a pandemic and clearly non sensical given the Spanish can't travel extensively internally, with or without a negative test yet Claus can rock up without a problem.
Posted: Wed May 5, 2021 3:19pm
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Dagurney wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 3:09pm:
Figures show that in previous lock-downs a major cause of infection has been foreign travel so hardly surprising that UK advisors are asking the government to be sensible with this. Every person travelling in increases our risk.
Travelling into where? UK or Spain
Wasn't that reciprocal. I remember New Zealand had NO CASES until 2 women visited there from the UK and started another lockdown.
Posted: Wed May 5, 2021 3:43pm
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swcoulthurst wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 3:19pm:
Travelling into where? UK or Spain
Wasn't that reciprocal. I remember New Zealand had NO CASES until 2 women visited there from the UK and started another lockdown.
Your right about the 2 women from the UK going to NZ and then testing positive for covid after several days. However NZ had covid cases before the women arrived, there no special lockdown needed and the 2 women followed all required NZ rules. Hardly something that can compare to travel around Europe! Their reason for travel was a serious ill parent, a reason that is permitted even now between UK and Spain.
The major cause of infection spread around Europe has been travel, that is how it gets around from country to country. I can see why governments are reluctant to start mass travel again until all countries have sufficient numbers vaccinated. It is okay saying Spain has low numbers in a region but what happens when visitors come from France, Italy, Poland, etc, etc. I just wish the EU would get a move on with their vaccine rollout.
Aitch.
Posted: Wed May 5, 2021 4:19pm
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aitchc1401 wrote on Wed May 5, 2021 3:43pm:
Your right about the 2 women from the UK going to NZ and then testing positive for covid after several days. However NZ had covid cases before the women arrived, there no special lockdown needed and the 2 women followed all required NZ rules. Hardly something that can compare to travel around Eur...
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...ope! Their reason for travel was a serious ill parent, a reason that is permitted even now between UK and Spain.
The major cause of infection spread around Europe has been travel, that is how it gets around from country to country. I can see why governments are reluctant to start mass travel again until all countries have sufficient numbers vaccinated. It is okay saying Spain has low numbers in a region but what happens when visitors come from France, Italy, Poland, etc, etc. I just wish the EU would get a move on with their vaccine rollout.
Aitch.
I agree. But my point is that UK not allowing travel to countries because the virus may come back from areas with low levels when they had the highest cases but no lock downs. The cost of the tests which technically if UK resident you are entitled to 2 free tests a week, but you have to pay. It's all about money this. Discourage travel to boost UK economy. Make travel too expensive to boost UK economy. Luckily the UK now seem to have things under control but by just blundering their way through.
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