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jimtaylor

Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 5:09am

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Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 5:09am

Kimmy11 wrote on Fri Aug 7, 2020 11:39pm:

Hi Martin,

Friends of mine have been told by their gestor that they need to have €9k each in their bank account for 3 months.  I queried this, suggesting that, as a married couple, they make a Family application where, according to Jim's guide, the lump sum requirement is €12k, not €18k.  Th...

...e gestor agreed.

To test this out, I called a different gestor, who also told me the requirement was €9k each.  When I mentioned the lower financial requirements of a Family application, the second gestor told me that Alicante is only progressing individual applications, which explains the requirement for €9k each.

However, as Jim has said, we need feedback from members who have made first-time residencia applications, but it may explain why you're receiving conflicting information.  

Kind regards, 

Kim

Kim, the procedure for new residencia applications needs clarifying. 

The BOE that introduced the new procedures is quite clear about the system applicable to those who already have residency, but for new applicants it just looks strange.

It says that applicants, which includes family members who are UK citizens, should apply for residencia using EX-20, without paying a fee.

There is a field on the EX-20 to apply as a family member, which says:

'Nacional de Reino Unido, familiar del otro nacional incluido en los apartados anteriores'

But there isn't anywhere in 'los apartados anteriores' to enter details of the person with whom the applicant is claiming a a family relationship. There are however two supplementary fields. One in which to enter the NIE of the person with whom you are claiming a family relationship, and another in which you would presumably enter that relationship, e.g. spouse.

It then goes on to say that once an application is accepted, they then have to apply for a TIE using EX-23, this time paying the fee.

Is it only myself that finds this a strange system?

Martin 1976

Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 6:28am

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Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 6:28am

Kimmy11 wrote on Fri Aug 7, 2020 11:39pm:

Hi Martin,

Friends of mine have been told by their gestor that they need to have €9k each in their bank account for 3 months.  I queried this, suggesting that, as a married couple, they make a Family application where, according to Jim's guide, the lump sum requirement is €12k, not €18k.  Th...

...e gestor agreed.

To test this out, I called a different gestor, who also told me the requirement was €9k each.  When I mentioned the lower financial requirements of a Family application, the second gestor told me that Alicante is only progressing individual applications, which explains the requirement for €9k each.

However, as Jim has said, we need feedback from members who have made first-time residencia applications, but it may explain why you're receiving conflicting information.  

Kind regards, 

Kim

Hi Kim..

Thanks for your input...

It's not so much the specific amount that has to be deposited into the Spanish bank account that troubles me, it's the 3 month timescale before residency is considered...

Anyway, we're over in three weeks, so I'm sure it'll become a little clearer then..

(He says hopefully)

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Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 7:39am

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Martin 1976 wrote on Sat Aug 8, 2020 6:28am:

Hi Kim..

Thanks for your input...

It's not so much the specific amount that has to be deposited into the Spanish bank account that troubles me, it's the 3 month timescale before residency is considered...

Anyway, we're over in three weeks, so I'm sure it'll become a little clearer then..

(He says hopefully)

Hi Martin,

As long as your application for residency has been made before 31 December 2020, you have until 30 June 2021 to complete the process.  So if you're coming over soon and can transfer the correct amount to your Spanish account then, you should still have enough time to comply with the requirements.

Kind regards, 

Kim

Kimmy11

Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 7:46am

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Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 7:46am

Thanks Jim.  I hadn't appreciated that Family applications are effectively a 2-step process.  I can see, now, why gestors wouldn't want to do them - with less than 4 months to 'final' Brexit, they may be concerned about missing the deadline.

Kind regards, 

Kim

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Posted: Sat Aug 8, 2020 8:35am

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Martin 1976 wrote on Thu Aug 6, 2020 10:16pm:

Heard in a number of discussions that €8000  has to be deposited into a Spanish bank for 3 months before residency is considered...

Is this correct?

I was under the impression that you had to register within 3 months of arriving in Spain. It would be difficult to show 3 months bank statements if you only open a Spanish bank account when you arrive. AFAIK you can only open a Spanish bank account in person, so you would either have to show less than 3 months statements or apply after 3 months of arriving in Spain.

We're in a similar position to Martin 1976. We do have a bank account for paying our bills in Spain but our current account is online and doesn't provide certification stamps for statements. We're going to open another branch based account next week and stick €18,000 in it for 3 months..... Do we then alter our "arrival" date so that it's less than 3 months from our application date? (hope this doesn't end in tears).

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karenB

Posted: Sun Aug 9, 2020 12:45pm

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I think it is probably a good idea to contact your abogado for advice. The company we used is a large one, they were able to arrange our residencia, with a translator at the police station whi accompanied us, obviously at a cost, but  we worth it. We have just used their services again to exchange to TIE, again cost involved  but less stress.

For us it was the easiest option.

jimtaylor

Posted: Sun Aug 9, 2020 5:20pm

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karenB wrote on Sun Aug 9, 2020 12:45pm:

I think it is probably a good idea to contact your abogado for advice. The company we used is a large one, they were able to arrange our residencia, with a translator at the police station whi accompanied us, obviously at a cost, but  we worth it. We have just used their services again to ex...

...change to TIE, again cost involved  but less stress.

For us it was the easiest option.

I can well understand using someone to assist you in an initial residency application, but not for the swap to a TIE. That's such an easy procedure that assistance isn't required.

Martin 1976

Posted: Sun Aug 9, 2020 6:10pm

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Posted: Sun Aug 9, 2020 6:10pm

karenB wrote on Sun Aug 9, 2020 12:45pm:

I think it is probably a good idea to contact your abogado for advice. The company we used is a large one, they were able to arrange our residencia, with a translator at the police station whi accompanied us, obviously at a cost, but  we worth it. We have just used their services again to ex...

...change to TIE, again cost involved  but less stress.

For us it was the easiest option.

Cheers Jim..

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Posted: Sun Aug 9, 2020 11:34pm

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Movingon wrote on Fri Aug 7, 2020 3:51am:

"Some will accept a lump sum of €9000 in a Spanish bank account that has been there 3 months" 

That might have been true in the past but with all Brit applications being handled by the dedicated office in Alicante there is no 'some' anymore. 

"it is assuming no deal to the contrary changes that requirement"  

Unless you or anyone can demonstrate otherwise then AFAIK changes or concessions to future requirements for residence are not even on the table in the negotiations for a deal.

It is still €9000

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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:30am

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Hi Folks

I am in the middle of the process of starting a first-time application. We are using a company in Alicante.

The question of financial proof has been a large doubt in our minds. The choice appeared to be either have your UK state pensions transferred to be payable through a Spanish bank for three months (not happing) or have 9000 euros each in the bank for three months. I understand that this figure is an increase from a somewhat lower amount this year.  However, and it is a big however, when I attempted to get this figure confirmed I got the long run around. The latest I have heard from the professionals is that since from the changes earlier this year the actual figure is unknown/uncertain. Worse each area can interpret the rules as they wish! even more, worrying is that within the responsible office individual officials seem to differ on the requirements.  The folks that I am using are saying that any figure over about 7000 euros that has been in the bank for some time will be OK.  We will see.

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