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Non-EU Holiday Home Owner expired Registration on the Municipal Register

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:56pm
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Anne1939

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Hi I am un the U.K. at the moment ( due to fly out 4th April)  and my neighbour has checked my post. We have a  letter from the Town Hall in San Fulgencio, advising us that our registration on the Municipal Register of Inhabitants has expired and we must renew by the 4th March ( letter only arrived Monday) They go on to say that it has to be renewed every two years.

We have had our property for 18 years and this has always been done automatically by our Spanish bank. Why it has suddenly ceased I don’t know,they never informed us that we needed to do it ourselves.

My question is please can anyone on the forum point me in the right direction on how to re register and apart from passport and NIE what other documents will we need to bring with us?

Many thanks

Anne

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:31pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:31pm

The Municipal Register of Inhabitants is the padron (empadronamiento). You should not be on the padron as it is the registration of your permanent residence.

The one your bank does every two years is your declaration of non residence for financial purposes.

Many municipalities did allow, and some still do, allow non residents on the padron but they shouldn't. 

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:58pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:58pm

Anne1939 wrote on Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:56pm:

Hi I am un the U.K. at the moment ( due to fly out 4th April)  and my neighbour has checked my post. We have a  letter from the Town Hall in San Fulgencio, advising us that our registration on the Municipal Register of Inhabitants has expired and we must renew by the 4th March ( letter ...

...only arrived Monday) They go on to say that it has to be renewed every two years.

We have had our property for 18 years and this has always been done automatically by our Spanish bank. Why it has suddenly ceased I don’t know,they never informed us that we needed to do it ourselves.

My question is please can anyone on the forum point me in the right direction on how to re register and apart from passport and NIE what other documents will we need to bring with us?

Many thanks

Anne

Thank you for your speedy reply. I’m still a little confused as we did sign on the Padron  in 2007 but realised that we shouldn’t have, even though the Town Hall was encouraging people to do it. We never renewed the Padron. 
I have used Google translate and here’s a photo of the translated letter, would you be kind enough to read it, as the only bit that worries me is the mention of non eu residents.

Many thanks for your time and input.

Regards 

Anne



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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:24pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:24pm

From the Valencian Region ayuntamiento

"The municipal register of inhabitants (empadronamiento de inhabitantes) is a list registering all the people habitually living in a town or city (municipality) and who form part of its population."

You will see it says "habitually". Now, the local towns get a grant for each person living on a full time basis in their community. Some councils still allow non residents to go on the padron.

The 2 years is for those non EU citizens habitually resident in the community who have not yet been granted permanent status. That means you must register on the padron until you have been living in Spain legally over 5 years and are granted permanent status. This makes sense as those with a visa need to renew it and their padron has to be in date within the last 3 months. EU citizens just need to do it at the 5 year point. 

The law they quote in the last paragraph simply says you are entitled to have someone act on your behalf if you are unable to do so yourself.

As you have not taken out residency then this does not apply to you and you should not be on the padron being a holiday home owner.

The article the letter refers to also says a EU citizen must have a card showing their status on the register of EU foreign citizens residing in Spain (the green card) and non EU citizens the TIE card. Neither of those pertain to you. The reregistering every 2 years is only valid for those who are applying for residency and have a visa such as the NLV.

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:35pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:35pm

marcliff wrote on Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:24pm:

From the Valencian Region ayuntamiento

"The municipal register of inhabitants (empadronamiento de inhabitantes) is a list registering all the people habitually living in a town or city (municipality) and who form part of its population."

You will see it says "habitually". Now, the local towns get a grant for each person living on a full time basis in their community. Some councils still allow non residents to go on the padron.

The 2 years is for those non EU citizens habitually resident in the community who have not yet been granted permanent status. That means you must register on the padron until you have been living in Spain legally over 5 years and are granted permanent status. This makes sense as those with a visa need to renew it and their padron has to be in date within the last 3 months. EU citizens just need to do it at the 5 year point. 

The law they quote in the last paragraph simply says you are entitled to have someone act on your behalf if you are unable to do so yourself.

As you have not taken out residency then this does not apply to you and you should not be on the padron being a holiday home owner.

The article the letter refers to also says a EU citizen must have a card showing their status on the register of EU foreign citizens residing in Spain (the green card) and non EU citizens the TIE card. Neither of those pertain to you. The reregistering every 2 years is only valid for those who are applying for residency and have a visa such as the NLV.

Thank you so much for your detailed reply. It is much appreciated. 

Regards 

Anne

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:37pm

Hi Anne - we were in La Marina last week and have had the very same letter, including the follow on to say we have been deleted. Like yourselves, we were encouraged (no - asked!) to sign on the Padron some years ago but now understand that we shouldn't have been on there. Similarly we were concerned that our "removal" was something to be concerned about, but have been assured it isn't.

Back out again in a months time to spemnd another short break in our "happy place"

Roger

Anne1939

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:15pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:15pm

Roger W wrote on Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:37pm:

Hi Anne - we were in La Marina last week and have had the very same letter, including the follow on to say we have been deleted. Like yourselves, we were encouraged (no - asked!) to sign on the Padron some years ago but now understand that we shouldn't have been on there. Similarly we were concer...

...ned that our "removal" was something to be concerned about, but have been assured it isn't.

Back out again in a months time to spemnd another short break in our "happy place"

Roger

Thanks for that Roger. Enjoy your stay, I know we will, we are ready for some sunshine.

Anne

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