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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:05pm
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PeteinAberdare wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:58am:
I really don't, and never will, understand the mindset of happily living in a foreign country for many months at a time, and then voting to stop foreigners getting into your own country.
It’s called British entitlement and hypocrisy!
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:12pm
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swcoulthurst wrote on Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:04pm:
I did say conservative. Some owners come regularly, some once a year, some less. Some owners will have larger families some are single owners. You can only speak on your circumstances.
As far as the group of lads, they are more likely to be a drain on their own health system along with the extremely large amount of hen parties and stag parties arriving every year. I bought my property 16 years ago, visiting 5 - 6 times a year at first with family. Then once or twice a year and ...
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...some years not at all. Everyone's circumstances are different. I put forward an example and the monetary figures are based on Spanish governmental figures.
Technically if we were being picky, I would assume yourself and your wife are the second home owners. This would then mean your family would fall into the tourist bracket rather than homeowners. Again my opinion. You may or may not agree. My family visit us too, but they are not homeowners.
swcoulthurst. You say you might be being picky. Surely the question is not if they are tourists or not but if they would visit Spain so often if it were not for the free accommodation provided by the home owner, after all we are all tourists unless we are immigrants. The question is how much spend do second home owners generate for the Spanish economy. It must also be accepted that a very large number of home owners and their guests visit Spain outwith the traditional tourist season thereby helping to balance the annual economy. I live on an urbanisation of around 80 homes. Some are occupied full time others are used for a substantial amount of time a few sporadically during the year. (I know this because I have spoken a lot to my neighbours over the 17 years I have been there). Out of the 80 homes only one is not being used at all, incidently it has the highest community, and other debts which will be paid when the property is sold. The argument on this thread apparently is about Brexit and how restricting homeowners use of their homes has been affected by it. It is interesting to note that it has been calculated that second home owners accounted for only 0.04 percent of those eligible to vote. If you divide that by the percentage who voted leave it is an infinitesimal amount.
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:48pm
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Care4 wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:12pm:
swcoulthurst. You say you might be being picky. Surely the question is not if they are tourists or not but if they would visit Spain so often if it were not for the free accommodation provided by the home owner, after all we are all tourists unless we are immigrants. The question is how much spen...
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...d do second home owners generate for the Spanish economy. It must also be accepted that a very large number of home owners and their guests visit Spain outwith the traditional tourist season thereby helping to balance the annual economy. I live on an urbanisation of around 80 homes. Some are occupied full time others are used for a substantial amount of time a few sporadically during the year. (I know this because I have spoken a lot to my neighbours over the 17 years I have been there). Out of the 80 homes only one is not being used at all, incidently it has the highest community, and other debts which will be paid when the property is sold. The argument on this thread apparently is about Brexit and how restricting homeowners use of their homes has been affected by it. It is interesting to note that it has been calculated that second home owners accounted for only 0.04 percent of those eligible to vote. If you divide that by the percentage who voted leave it is an infinitesimal amount.
Everyone has their own opinions but the wording was 'second homeowner' and 'tourist'. You can be both but the idea was to distinguish the difference. A homeowner is ultimately a tourist, if they don't reside in Spain full time. However they cannot be counted in both categories. If a family member comes to a free property or not, doesn't move them from the tourist category as they do not own the property.
We can always agree to disagree otherwise the interpretation of second homeowner and tourist will just keep going around in circles.
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:49pm
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Just to get back to the original post
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:10pm
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swcoulthurst wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:49pm:
Just to get back to the original post
Seems a sensible approach by the Spanish authorities. Luckily they do not listen to some of the "Brits" who post on here!
Aitch.
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:11am
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I think the sight of men, women and children being rounded up for transportation by armed police would probably not present the best of images for the country!
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:54pm
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PeteinAberdare wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:11am:
I think the sight of men, women and children being rounded up for transportation by armed police would probably not present the best of images for the country!
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:56pm
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swcoulthurst wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:48pm:
Everyone has their own opinions but the wording was 'second homeowner' and 'tourist'. You can be both but the idea was to distinguish the difference. A homeowner is ultimately a tourist, if they don't reside in Spain full time. However they cannot be counted in both categories. If a family member...
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... comes to a free property or not, doesn't move them from the tourist category as they do not own the property.
We can always agree to disagree otherwise the interpretation of second homeowner and tourist will just keep going around in circles.
swcoulthurst. You appear to try and distinguish between tourists and second home owners by saying that you cant be both. However being both is in fact what they are. Second home owners because they do not have residentia are tourists. They are also obviously second home owners. They act as tourists if they spend money on what could be called the tourist element of their trip. For example: golf, restaurantes, bars, tourist type outings, visting tourist attractions and so on. However they are clearly home owners because of the spending on taxes, electricity, home improvements, community fees, suma, cars, itv, insurance (car and home), housing renewables, bank accounts and mortgages. Tourists are counting by monitoring the amount of people who come to Spain for short periods. Home owners are monitored from the property register. Please explain to me the mechanism whereby home owners are separated from tourists in the Spanish stats.
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:23pm
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Care4 wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:56pm:
swcoulthurst. You appear to try and distinguish between tourists and second home owners by saying that you cant be both. However being both is in fact what they are. Second home owners because they do not have residentia are tourists. They are also obviously second home owners. They act as touris...
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...ts if they spend money on what could be called the tourist element of their trip. For example: golf, restaurantes, bars, tourist type outings, visting tourist attractions and so on. However they are clearly home owners because of the spending on taxes, electricity, home improvements, community fees, suma, cars, itv, insurance (car and home), housing renewables, bank accounts and mortgages. Tourists are counting by monitoring the amount of people who come to Spain for short periods. Home owners are monitored from the property register. Please explain to me the mechanism whereby home owners are separated from tourists in the Spanish stats.
I actually said they can be both but cannot be counted in both categories, otherwise that would duplicate the figures.
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:34pm
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swcoulthurst wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:23pm:
I actually said they can be both but cannot be counted in both categories, otherwise that would duplicate the figures.
Swcoulthurst. I think you'll find they can. To my knowledge, there is no way that Spain, or the EU, can differenciate between a homeowners euro and a tourist one. Homeowners pay taxes, electricity, buy equipment and furniture, buy food for cooking, oil, condiments, cars, insurance, home improvement equipment, pay car tax, sumo, Itv vehicles, pay for airport parking, buy plants, clothes and pay community charges. None of these things are part of a tourists' spend. Most are in spain more than once a year. Their families, and statistically there are more families than singles who buy properties anywhere in the world, enjoy the benefit of the family home while still completing tourist tasks. They also go on trips, eat out, drink in bars, play golf and do things tourists do. Personally I transfer around 25,000 euros to Spain every year to allow me our property in Spain. My familys' spend is on top of that. As I have said your six lads need to drink a shed load of beer to match that spend.
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