UK and Spain Vaccine stats - Page 17

16 pages and still loads of uncertain dribble.

Hi Kim,

    the UK have successfully completed the majority of their target inoculations, which is why I commented that they are now looking at booster jabs and they have started the rollout of the flu vaccine, as I said it is not bad for what you believe is such a hopeless government. How you interpret that as being proud of the UK deaths only you can know, Good to know that Spain has annual flu programs, I'm sure they will be starting it soon if they have not done so already.

So it was the Prime Minister who apparently said that the UK vaccination program was "world beating", I'm glad you agree it was not my statement. Well politicians often make these sort of statements, a bit like the Spanish PM saying Spain had won a gold medal for it's vaccination program, though they were not and are not in first position. Or Macron saying the AZ vaccine was quasi-effective, even though it was and is very effective. Why do they do they make these silly comments. 

Spain's vaccination program, like most of the EU, was a shambles at the start, they got it going after some 3 to 4months, no way of knowing how many deaths could have been avoided had they been as efficient as the UK but they have now made fantastic progress over the past few months. Other countries were always going to catch up UK at some point, more so as the UK have slowed down. The important point for the UK is that they did so many of the most vulnerable/at risk so quickly.

  Yes, the UK has the highest number of total deaths in Europe but they come behind the likes of Italy, Poland and Belgium in the number of deaths per 100,000, which is a more balanced way of looking at it. If you use the approach of some then they come 15th in Europe for the number of deaths per 100000, but that is by comparing them against countries with relatively small populations which is not a valid comparison, in my opinion. 

 You mention that the UK were slow to lock down and late to close the corridor with India (though the UK put India on to their red list whilst other EU countries still allowed flights from India). Given that Spain was so strict why do you think it is that their covid cases per million are over 10% higher than the UK's? It cannot be testing as the UK are carrying out roughly three times more tests than Spain?

I'm good you brought it back to where it started, if you remember my first post was nothing to do with which country was better than another it was simply objecting to comment that the UK was manipulating there figures, which is not the case. OurworldinData has been including the UK's figures in their daily report and they have been visible to all as a direct comparison to other countries from the start.

 If manipulation was suspected I am amazed that no-one has raised the issue earlier as other that OWiD several other sites have been producing the comparison figures since the beginning of the vaccination program worldwide.

Aitch.

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Hi,

    everyone rolled out the vaccines on the same basis? The UK started with the elderly and the vulnerable, and worked their way down by age. If I remember rightly Spain started with the elderly and the people in high risks jobs. So not the same approach by those two countries.

 How will the UK measure the progress of the 16-17 years old, by measuring against the total number in that group and reporting the daily figures would be one guess. Or they could include them in the larger group figures, 16 years old and above, to report on everyone over 16. It's not exactly rocket science. They may even change to report against total population which would make you happy at least.

 The main thing is whatever they do the delivery mechanism remains in place to do it quickly and efficiently. OurworldinData will continue to take the UK daily stats, compile them into a common format and make them available globally on a daily basis, same as they do now.

Aitch. 

Hi SW,

      I think the OWiD figures now say the UK is behind Spain, there are no other large EU countries yet ahead of the UK from what I can see. For many months the UK was way ahead of the EU as they struggled to get their vaccine strategy up to speed. Latterly they have caught up with Italy, France and Germany now closing up to the UK figures. The UK has slowed, that it is true, for the simple reason that they are struggling to get some of the remainder to take the vaccine. 

Spain passed the UK about what, 1 to 2 weeks ago? 

Aitch.

Welcome back. See you can't keep away 

As I said. Back over old ground.

Never mind I'm sure the UK figures will rocket again when a tory backed pizza hut opens. After all that's the latest strategy isn't it. Vouchers or Pizza enticement.

Looks like 3 or 4 blinkered views, no matter what facts are put in front of them.

Don't waste your breath swc. The blinkered will always remain blinkered. They are in majority. Remember Brexiteers ?

Just to put the record straight on the reason for the original post and not the direction it has headed in.

I, like probably the majority of the population, was not aware of the fact that the statistics issued by the UK government and the media were misrepresented in relation to the rest of the world. I and many others would be taking the fact that 88% of the UK (as led to believe) had received at least 1 dose of the vaccination. I may be thick in thinking this, or just taking it on face value because that's what the government and the media say.

Maybe I should have noticed it said 'percentage of the adult population' but I hadn't. Or even that the EU statistics say percentage of the population, not percentage of the adult population, but again I hadn't.

The whole idea of the post was to see how many other people had been following the statistics incorrectly. It had nothing to do with the roll out, how well or poorly the vaccination had gone in either country or even how dire the current government is in the UK. 

It was all about the comparison of figures not being on a level playing field and therefore, whether you agree or not, the figures being misrepresented or manipulated to provide a larger percentage than other countries.

Kept deleting notifications thinking this crap had finished but no, still beating the gums over the same topic.

No other larger countries but plenty of poorer resourced countries.