No deal update - Page 5

What new information has become available, all I am hearing is speculation and scaremongering by both sides of the debate.

That was obviously directed at Gilly.

Really. 

When people vote there is no changing of minds after the vote is counted.

Stan, who is your comment directed to as it it not clear.

A few bits of new information .... not to mention that Russia and the USA are looking to veto the UK's readmission to WTO rules.

1. ‘Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market’ – Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan

This claim, repeated by economically liberal Brexiteers, was demonstrably false – Theresa May has now committed to taking the UK out of the single market.

Following the referendum Oliver Norgrove, a former Vote Leave staffer, who supports staying in the single market, urged people to check the official campaign’s website and official literature – noting that the things they had campaigned for were “utterly achievable in the EEA and make no mention at all of leaving the single market”.

2. ‘Once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350m per week’ – Boris Johnson

The claim by the Leave campaign that the UK would take back control of “roughly £350m a week” was derided by the UK Statistics Authority as “a clear misuse of official statistics”. The problem with the notorious £350m figure is that it is a “gross” figure – it doesn’t take into account the money the UK gets back from the EU. It also doesn’t take into account Britain’s rebate on top of that.

When those are taken into account the figure is £250m, but debate over the money also had a bigger flaw – the effect on the UK’s public finances from depressed economic growth caused by leaving the single market is expected to dwarf any saving made from ending the UK’s subscription to the EU budget. The Office for Budget Responsibility says that even a 0.1 per cent fall in growth over the next 50 years would see tax receipts £36bn lower.

3.‘The UK loses out because other members favour a highly regulated and protectionist economy’ – Jacob Rees-Mogg

The claim that the UK is constantly being overruled by other EU countries is false. Research by UK in a changing Europe shows that the UK has been in a minority on 57 legislative acts at the European Council since 1999, when the decisions were made public. Since then it has been in the majority on 2,474 acts, and abstained on 70 occasions.

Separate research by VoteWatch shows a shifting pattern in votes between 2004-2009 and 2009-2015, however – with the UK becoming the government most likely to vote against the majority in the second period. But even taking that data into account, the UK is still on the winning side 87 per cent of the time and far from being isolated, has consistent allies like Sweden, the Netherlands, Denmark, Lithuania and Greece that back it on the vast majority of votes. 

4.‘Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU’ – Vote Leave publicity

Though Turkey has been an official EU candidate state since 1999, talks have long stalled and there is no prospect of the country joining the bloc anytime soon.

The European Parliament officially voted in favour of suspending negotiations just months after the EU referendum, on the basis of human rights abuses – while the European Council has said it will open talks in no new areas.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has also since said Turkey will never become an EU member, effectively blocking any accession. Turkish President Erdogan’s constitutional referendum has effectively sealed the deal.

From 1950-2017 the UK had 19 General elections - the opportunity to change our minds roughly every 3.5 years. 

From the Brexit vote to Brexit day will be 2.8 years (if it stays on schedule).

If Brexit day slips a bit, we'll be on schedule of a new vote anyway.

If Brexit day doesn't slip, the implementation period will take us a year or two past our next annualised average voting period.

Of course we change our minds after the votes are counted !

Of course people change their minds after initial voting, as promises made by politicians on the lead up to elections are often broken. However, being part of a democracy means that whatever the majority opt for, we all have to abide by, and we can change our minds at the next election. Unfortunately, a brexit re-vote is not like a general election, we had the one vote, and for now, that’s the end of it. My feeling is the the government went into the brexit vote too cocky, believing that it was a certainty that the public would vote to stay, and the subsequent leave vote was a shock to all - unfortunately Teresa May was then put in place to try and get the best possible terms for the UK and appears to be struggling to do so.

I voted to remain in the EU, and was shocked at the vote to leave but accept that as the majority voted to leave, then we just need to get on with it, Only time will tell if it was the right thing to do....

Stevec61, sensible comments, the Tories expected a remain vote and David Cameron jumped ship after the result, I am not sure Teresa May is up to the job particularly with the state of the parties after the General Election, but we have to live with what we have, what is the alternative, Boris or Jacob ? Certainly not Jeremy.

And ... the UK’s bid to fast-track its post-Brexit entry to the WTO has failed, after other countries expressed concern on the UK’s approach to tariffs. So under a no-deal Brexit, the UK will be the only country in the world without a trade deal with any country.

http://www.cityam.com/267128/members-block-uks-bid-fast-track-its-post-brexit-entry-into

Ramdom I know but why do some of you think that i/we based our leave vote on what was promised.

I'm sorry to tell you all this but POLITICIANS LIE. 

There it is sorry, to burst your bubble.

So mine and lots of other leave voters read all the information and made our decision on what we could see had happened. And also what the EU had in store for us all in the future. Possibly, as you know people change their minds. 

So you can quote millions and billions from the LIERS and chase your own tails.

Happy Sunday 😎