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Kimmy11

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm

Hi Kelvin,

Thanks for pulling these sources together.  

Just to point out that the financial requirements stated for the Non-Lucrative Visa/Residence Permit are now out of date.  Spain increased its IPREM in 2021, so the correct figures in Euros (or equivalent amount in other currencies) are now:

SPAIN IPREM 2021:

1st Person 4 x IPREM            per annum   Eu   27,115.20 

(Eu 569.40 per week)    

1st Dependant 1 x IPREM     per annum   Eu     6,778.80

Per couple                             per annum   Eu   33,894.00



There are a number of different types of Visa available to UK and other Third Country Nationals, the Non-Lucrative being the most popular so far, as that's the one which pensioners and early retirees are likely to need.  Having made the application for the Non-Lucrative Visa at a Spanish Embassy/Consulate in the UK (London, Manchester or Edinburgh), if granted, it lasts 3 months and 15 days, during which time it's anticipated that applicants will progress their application for the Non-Lucrative Residence Permit (which has to be started within 1 month of arriving in Spain).

The initial permit lasts 1 year, for which applicants will need to prove the financial requirements above.  At expiry, a Residence Permit renewal of 2 years (and therefore 2 x the 'per annum' figures above) will also need to be proved.  Similarly, a further renewal lasting 2 years with proof of these financials will have to be submitted, following which the applicant will have achieved 5 years' "Residencia Permanente" and no further permits will be required.

The one thing I haven't been able to establish is whether a first year application made with proof of the above financials means that the 2 subsequent renewals will require proof of 2021 IPREM multiples, or whether these requirements will continue to increase for each renewal, in line with any further increase in Spain's IPREM in the intervening years.  My personal opinion is that the latter is most likely.

Kind regards,

Kim

Alan mac

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm

BLS seems to specialise in all types of visas for Spain. They have a website. 

blsvisaspain.com 

You apply on line and make an appointment 

AmandaJC

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:32pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:32pm

Alan mac wrote on Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm:

BLS seems to specialise in all types of visas for Spain. They have a website. 

blsvisaspain.com 

You apply on line and make an appointment 

Thank you 😊

Mary1961

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:42pm

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Alan mac wrote on Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:17am:

Hi I have now been in email contact with Andreas at Scornik and to be honest was not impressed. After fully explaining my situation ( UK cit married to Irish cit) he offered to process an application for a non lucrative visa, along with its requirements of health insurance police certification an...

...d financial requirements .i said that I believed I would be eligible for a free EU family visa but he said he had never heard of this and again steered me towards a NLV 

I asked for a telephone call to discuss further but recieved a very curt reply saying that I needed to send £1800 before they would advise me 

So am now looking at others who may be able to assist 

I understood that a EU passport holder and spouse do not have a NLV and do not have to have the income that is detailed above. I may be wrong but going on what I have read  on CAB it seems that these amounts are for those detailed as "3rd country entrants "

Kimmy11

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:20pm

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:20pm

You're correct Mary.  It's very well summarised in this extract from the response Alan mac received from 'Your Europe Advice':

"Given that your spouse is an Irish citizen, she will continue to qualify as an EU citizen. Given that you are her family member as her spouse, you will also continue to qualify as a beneficiary of EU law; This is because the Republic of Ireland continues to be a member of the European Union."

Kind regards,

Kim

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:06pm

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Kimmy11 wrote on Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:20pm:

You're correct Mary.  It's very well summarised in this extract from the response Alan mac received from 'Your Europe Advice':

"Given that your spouse is an Irish citizen, she will continue to qualify as an EU citizen. Given that you are her family member as her spouse, you will also continue to qualify as a beneficiary of EU law; This is because the Republic of Ireland continues to be a member of the European Union."

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Kind regards,

Kim

Thanks Kim

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:01pm

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Kimmy11 wrote on Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm:

Hi Kelvin,

Thanks for pulling these sources together.  

Just to point out that the financial requirements stated for the Non-Lucrative Visa/Residence Permit are now out of date.  Spain increased its IPREM in 2021, so the correct figures in Euros (or equivalent amount in other currencies) are now:

SPAIN IPREM 2021:

1st Person 4 x IPREM            per annum   Eu   27,115.20 

(Eu 569.40 per week)    

1st Dependant 1 x IPREM     per annum   Eu     6,778.80

Per couple                             per annum   Eu   33,894.00



There are a number of different types of Visa available to UK and other Third Country Nationals, the Non-Lucrative being the most popular so far, as that's the one which pensioners and early retirees are likely to need.  Having made the application for the Non-Lucrative Visa at a Spanish Embassy/Consulate in the UK (London, Manchester or Edinburgh), if granted, it lasts 3 months and 15 days, during which time it's anticipated that applicants will progress their application for the Non-Lucrative Residence Permit (which has to be started within 1 month of arriving in Spain).

The initial permit lasts 1 year, for which applicants will need to prove the financial requirements above.  At expiry, a Residence Permit renewal of 2 years (and therefore 2 x the 'per annum' figures above) will also need to be proved.  Similarly, a further renewal lasting 2 years with proof of these financials will have to be submitted, following which the applicant will have achieved 5 years' "Residencia Permanente" and no further permits will be required.

The one thing I haven't been able to establish is whether a first year application made with proof of the above financials means that the 2 subsequent renewals will require proof of 2021 IPREM multiples, or whether these requirements will continue to increase for each renewal, in line with any further increase in Spain's IPREM in the intervening years.  My personal opinion is that the latter is most likely.

Kind regards,

Kim

Yes. We are looking to move to Spain in a few years, but I agree that the income requirements for each visa renewal will increase along with the increase in IPREM.  We will also be anticipating (hopefully incorrectly) a change in exchange rates that will have a negative impact on meeting the income requirements.  This means that we will need to build up a substantial cash buffer that we won't be able to touch for a few years.  Applying initially when we only just meet the income requirement would be incredibly risky.

I would hate to move to, and settle in, Spain then after 3 years find that we don't meet the current income requirements  forcing us to sell up and move back to the UK.

daveliz

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:30pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:30pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm:

Hi Kelvin,

Thanks for pulling these sources together.  

Just to point out that the financial requirements stated for the Non-Lucrative Visa/Residence Permit are now out of date.  Spain increased its IPREM in 2021, so the correct figures in Euros (or equivalent amount in other currencies) are now:

SPAIN IPREM 2021:

1st Person 4 x IPREM            per annum   Eu   27,115.20 

(Eu 569.40 per week)    

1st Dependant 1 x IPREM     per annum   Eu     6,778.80

Per couple                             per annum   Eu   33,894.00



There are a number of different types of Visa available to UK and other Third Country Nationals, the Non-Lucrative being the most popular so far, as that's the one which pensioners and early retirees are likely to need.  Having made the application for the Non-Lucrative Visa at a Spanish Embassy/Consulate in the UK (London, Manchester or Edinburgh), if granted, it lasts 3 months and 15 days, during which time it's anticipated that applicants will progress their application for the Non-Lucrative Residence Permit (which has to be started within 1 month of arriving in Spain).

The initial permit lasts 1 year, for which applicants will need to prove the financial requirements above.  At expiry, a Residence Permit renewal of 2 years (and therefore 2 x the 'per annum' figures above) will also need to be proved.  Similarly, a further renewal lasting 2 years with proof of these financials will have to be submitted, following which the applicant will have achieved 5 years' "Residencia Permanente" and no further permits will be required.

The one thing I haven't been able to establish is whether a first year application made with proof of the above financials means that the 2 subsequent renewals will require proof of 2021 IPREM multiples, or whether these requirements will continue to increase for each renewal, in line with any further increase in Spain's IPREM in the intervening years.  My personal opinion is that the latter is most likely.

Kind regards,

Kim

Hi Kimmy

can you clarify if we are to have 66 k for the 2nd to 5th  years or do we still only need to show 33 k  per year for each year

other wise 66 k is per year and not 33 k

im confused to hell and back

Alan mac

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:10pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:10pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:25pm:

Hi Kelvin,

Thanks for pulling these sources together.  

Just to point out that the financial requirements stated for the Non-Lucrative Visa/Residence Permit are now out of date.  Spain increased its IPREM in 2021, so the correct figures in Euros (or equivalent amount in other currencies) are now:

SPAIN IPREM 2021:

1st Person 4 x IPREM            per annum   Eu   27,115.20 

(Eu 569.40 per week)    

1st Dependant 1 x IPREM     per annum   Eu     6,778.80

Per couple                             per annum   Eu   33,894.00



There are a number of different types of Visa available to UK and other Third Country Nationals, the Non-Lucrative being the most popular so far, as that's the one which pensioners and early retirees are likely to need.  Having made the application for the Non-Lucrative Visa at a Spanish Embassy/Consulate in the UK (London, Manchester or Edinburgh), if granted, it lasts 3 months and 15 days, during which time it's anticipated that applicants will progress their application for the Non-Lucrative Residence Permit (which has to be started within 1 month of arriving in Spain).

The initial permit lasts 1 year, for which applicants will need to prove the financial requirements above.  At expiry, a Residence Permit renewal of 2 years (and therefore 2 x the 'per annum' figures above) will also need to be proved.  Similarly, a further renewal lasting 2 years with proof of these financials will have to be submitted, following which the applicant will have achieved 5 years' "Residencia Permanente" and no further permits will be required.

The one thing I haven't been able to establish is whether a first year application made with proof of the above financials means that the 2 subsequent renewals will require proof of 2021 IPREM multiples, or whether these requirements will continue to increase for each renewal, in line with any further increase in Spain's IPREM in the intervening years.  My personal opinion is that the latter is most likely.

Kind regards,

Kim

Hi just a quick question do you have to have this amount in the bank or if you had a pension which was almost that amount and had the remaining amount in the bank would this be acceptable ? 

AmandaJC

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:20pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:20pm

We have heard through sources that people have applied with just the minimum and have been rejected.

It is suggested that you show every income and savings that amount to more than the minimum if you can.

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