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PeterPan

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:43pm

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:43pm

Allank wrote on Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:05am:

Oh dear. Ours is Focus too.

I am actually making an unscheduled visit to Spain - flying today to try to sort some issues out.

To do that I've agreed a meeting bit until it happens I won't believe it.

Perhaps an item on the next AGM agenda to review the role of administrator may "focus" their attention.

Allank

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:29pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:29pm

PeterPan wrote on Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:43pm:

Perhaps an item on the next AGM agenda to review the role of administrator may "focus" their attention.

Well our next AGM is not until October 2024 so I'm trying to resolve the issue before then but I am certainly getting calls already from a number of our owners to do just that. They think and they could be right that I am wasting my time.

However, I did say in an earlier post that I'd be interested to hear stories from any owners who feel that their administrators are good, bad or in-between. I'm happy to receive those by private message and will treat them in condfidence.

PeterPan

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:37pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:37pm

Allank wrote on Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:29pm:

Well our next AGM is not until October 2024 so I'm trying to resolve the issue before then but I am certainly getting calls already from a number of our owners to do just that. They think and they could be right that I am wasting my time.

However, I did say in an earlier post that I'd be interested to hear stories from any owners who feel that their administrators are good, bad or in-between. I'm happy to receive those by private message and will treat them in condfidence....

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As the president of your community you can put foward a motion for a change of administrators at any time by invoking a EGM (Emergency General meeting). You will need to contact the community and explain the reasons for your action and seek their agreement.

Our president did this last year and we now have a brilliant administrator. I would give you their details but they are not local to you. 

Good luck, it's sh*t being the president.

Allank

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:32am

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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:32am

PeterPan wrote on Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:37pm:

As the president of your community you can put foward a motion for a change of administrators at any time by invoking a EGM (Emergency General meeting). You will need to contact the community and explain the reasons for your action and seek their agreement.

Our president did this last year and we now have a brilliant administrator. I would give you their details but they are not local to you. ...

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Good luck, it's sh*t being the president.

It definitely has its downsides 😊

As this is a Playa Flamenca Forum, how far away would the administrator be?

Our own administrator is not all that close.

I'm ok with a private message if you want.

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George M

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:26pm

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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:26pm

What do you do if a rule is voted in by the community at an AGM and the committee change the rule in the sense that they do their own thing and completely disregard what has been voted in.  Even when it is pointed out to them - they just ignore what you say and go on doing what suits them - or the core group they constantly try to please. You are supposed to go to the Administrator or President with your complaint as is said on here.  What if you do that and are still ignored as it is them who are doing it.   Is there anything you can do?  Please advise. Has anyone  had this experience.

Allank

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:10pm

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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:10pm

George M wrote on Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:26pm:

What do you do if a rule is voted in by the community at an AGM and the committee change the rule in the sense that they do their own thing and completely disregard what has been voted in.  Even when it is pointed out to them - they just ignore what you say and go on doing what suits them - ...

...or the core group they constantly try to please. You are supposed to go to the Administrator or President with your complaint as is said on here.  What if you do that and are still ignored as it is them who are doing it.   Is there anything you can do?  Please advise. Has anyone  had this experience.

By Committee do you mean the President and Vice Presidents acting as a committee?

It seems that if you have enough votes to pass this resolution so that implies you have enough to remove the President and Vice Presidents at the next AGM.

George M

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:35am

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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:35am

Allank wrote on Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:10pm:

By Committee do you mean the President and Vice Presidents acting as a committee?

It seems that if you have enough votes to pass this resolution so that implies you have enough to remove the President and Vice Presidents at the next AGM.

Yes, President, Vice President and Administrator.  There were  quite a few who voted in the rule, but there is a core group who get what they want by the President making concessions for them- disregarding what was voted in.  If you question this the rule is interpreted in a way that suits them - even though it is blatantly obvious it is not what was intended in the rule voted in. As for voting them out - the core group attend every AGM and vote with the committee.  This rule was voted in with proxy votes too, but it makes no difference even if voted in it is ignored. No one dare put themselves forward to be voted in as they would have to stand up to this group.  There are less and less owners who attend the AGM or bother to vote as they know from past experience their voice is not wanted and means nothing.    

Allank

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:55am

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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:55am

George M wrote on Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:35am:

Yes, President, Vice President and Administrator.  There were  quite a few who voted in the rule, but there is a core group who get what they want by the President making concessions for them- disregarding what was voted in.  If you question this the rule is interpreted in a way th...

...at suits them - even though it is blatantly obvious it is not what was intended in the rule voted in. As for voting them out - the core group attend every AGM and vote with the committee.  This rule was voted in with proxy votes too, but it makes no difference even if voted in it is ignored. No one dare put themselves forward to be voted in as they would have to stand up to this group.  There are less and less owners who attend the AGM or bother to vote as they know from past experience their voice is not wanted and means nothing.    

I'm afraid that's your only real option unless you want to consider creating a fund for legal action against the President. You would have to be sure this question of interpretation does not leave a way out.

One or more of you could stop paying your community fees in protest or at least initially threaten to do that. Your decision on that might be influenced by whether you have penalties in your community rules for that.

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