Britain looks to break International law - Page 4

And when the people begin to realise that they have been sold a pup in exchange of their votes

The initial euphoria turns to doubt

And as more and more Faeces pour out of the pup 

Doubt turns to shock

Shock turns to anger

Anger turns to fury

Fury turns to violence

Violence turns to War

Only with one thing in mind

NEVER AGAIN

There'll be no violence, the Brits are quite a subservient lot and most will just grumble, when you consider the withdrawal agreement was 95% May's deal and it was Johnson's 5% that he is now reneging on and people are still not up in arms it tells you all you need to know.

As your closest neighbor and a friend, I think I speak for the vast majority in Ireland, and really hope against hope that both yours and Premier's predictions don't materialize. The UK has many friends in Europe, and many admirers.  The British, at their best, are some act to follow. Let's hope this is a blip on the road at some level - altho personally I think the Union as it stands is toast, but maybe something shocking like Scottish independence will wake people up. 

The whole point of the EU is  in essence a peace project, and whilst the UK has left, there's room and space for a new era of cooperation.  Bojo talks of the UK's 'friends' in Europe in one breath, and then talks about these very same 'friends' attempting to destroy the Union. This makes no sense to anyone but the nut-jobs in power and their crazy illusion of a Singapore-like  country on the edge of Europe running loops round those idiots in Brussels who spend days worrying about the bendiness of banana's.  The problem with such spin is when you start believing it yourself.  The UK government speaks of peace in NI whilst undermining that very peace treaty. No illusory political entities can survive meeting a whirlwind of facts. The Irish poet W.B. Yeats wrote in 'The Second Coming':

Turning and turning in the widening gyre 

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned;The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

I think, Bojo and Cummings has an appointment with reality that will show how the 'centre cannot hold.'  And, hopefully, that famous British common sense, which is of course part myth, but hopefully with an element of truth,  will re-emerge  in the UK and find their voice. The one place you won't find it is in 'The Daily Express' or 'Telegraph.'  All you will hear from these is the British equivalent of Fox news, and they will blame everything on the EU and the Irish. Personal responsibility isn't in their lexicon. 

According to Johnson it is ok to break international law if you feel you have a good enough reason. I presume therefore that Scotland can go ahead an hold a referendum on Independence without getting permission from the British government. They surely now have a good enough reason even if it is only Johnnson himself.

If you honestly believe that in the event of a no deal hard brexit brought about by the UK breaking the agreement 

That The EU Especially France will not take

Legal action,impose sanctions and stinging tariff on UK goods 

Along with full imposition of all the beauracatic rules pertaining to export of EU vital medicines etc to the UK

Remember if we break the withdrawal agreement internationally UK will be a pariah state 

Already with regards Animal welfare standards and particularly animal health and disease prevention such BSE,Foot @ Mouth & Swine flu

The UK has fallen seriously behind in compliance of EU standards and law

And it is only because we are still technically a member negotiating a signed

Legally binding withdrawal agreement that the EU have not acted

Not if but when they act ALL agricultural UK exports will be banned entry to EU

Such will collapse the vast majority of British farmers

You have no idea the ticking time bombs waiting to detonate against us

EG. most of London,s financial industry will be very seriously impacted 

You have all be sold another pup in the form of The Trade Deal With Japan

How

1.it is no better a deal than you already have via the EU with Japan

2.In trade terms the deal represents LESS than 0.9% of total UK trade

Despite this The Government had Snr.Cabinet members blowing their trumpets to all and sundry via a propagandist media to convey such trash

To us plebs and to add little have you been told that it is 100 % certain that NO DEAL 

With USA whatsoever and no matter who wins the Nov.election

It is the Democrats who control congress

And only congress can sanction trade deals

They have informed us in no uncertain terms if we breach the Good Friday Agreement that No Trade Deal

You say no riots or war when

1.U.K.whats left as Scotland departs Bankrupt

2.Who will lend a law breaking pariah state 

Monies far less credit concerning trading

3.Spiralling inflation.

4.collasping prices of houses in what is a most seriously over inflated market

5.Severe food shortages

6.Severe shortage of critical medicines

Leading to many deaths and severe ill health

7.Soaring unemployment

8. No international capital inward investment

9.Flight of capitol out of UK

10.Mass Emigration of the richest and brightest 

11.Relocation of global EU headquarters of most companies operating within UK

IF all comes to pass then the plebs have no alternative to rebel in and by all possible means

If it becomes so unstable The USA has and will take back the nuclear Trident missiles 

Which we only lease from them

Pound will be a banana republic currency

UK.will be at very least kicked off UN security council permanent seat

You have no Idea how fast things are happening in globally geo political, economic and Military terms

China is now supreme economically and very very soon will be military

Both Russia and China have far superior military technology than the West now

So much so it is impossible for us to catch up without bankrupting ourselves

American hegemony is finished and the power of the $ is coming to a end

England has put what little money or resource it has on the Wrong horse

In the coming economic conflict with both China and Russia it is the EU who if they manoeuvre correctly can win big time

I assure those who ally with America will firmly be on the losing side

The causes that shall bring this about have already had the actions that gave birth to what i speak

Absolutely true, it gave the terrorists the abity to say they had won even when they had been soundly defeated. That is why it was grabbed with both hands.  Convicted murderers, on both sides let out with no prospect of new prosecution, one such IRA terrorist convicted for mass attrocities and sentenced to 684 years +, let off after less than 8 years.  Yet again Blair had a hand in this treachery while at the same time hanging the Security forces out to dry.

I assume by 'both sides' you're including the British Army and State in this?  85% of loyalist paramilitaries murders were state sanctioned and all but 3 of 210 arrested were state agents and informers.  See Stevens Inquiries and De Silva Reports. 

The republicans whilst completely outnumbered, certainly caused the higher percentage  of inflicted military casualties  1300 v 400.  Add in the destruction of English Town and city centres, members of Parliament and royalty, they were without doubt a force to be reckoned with and one which Mrs Thatcher reached out to to begin Peace talks in the wake of the Downing Street attacks and the 1985 Accord. . Talks continued when John Major took over and the first ceasefire began in 94.

Britain certainly didn't 'win' by any stretch of the imagination. Peace did. 

 Firstly, if the IRA were 'soundly defeated' nobody told them. I dread to think what their 'winning' would have looked like if we suppose them to have been defeated. 

As Wilbur has said, the reaching out began when it was obvious no one could win and involved Thatcher's and Major's governments before Blair.  The British army could not kill the tiny gadfly and the IRA could not force a British withdrawal from Ireland, at least not any time soon.Like it or not, again as Wilbur has said, the IRA were a force to contend with. Highly organized, smart and ruthless. We can admire their tenacity whilst deploring  their methodologies.  It is self-evident, at least to me, that, again much as we might dislike it, 'terrorism' works at some level, if only to focus minds on finding a way to end it.  It finally dawned on the combatants that winning wasn't on the cards for either 'side.' , and this coincided with a helpful support from Dublin, and all sides found the willingness  to make peace an option. The peace process in Ireland, as the Northern Irish  poet Seamus Heaney said, was 'when hope and history rhyme.' What a wonderful viewpoint. 

I also want to mention the  use of the highly pejorative and loaded word ' terrorist.' This word was used by Thatcher to describe Nelson Mandela - a man most of us would hail as a saint. iIt has probably been rolled out to label countless people as a way of making them  the bad guys. It often is accompanied by the a contrast with the 'security forces,' so we immediately envision the good guys with the bad eggs, and once our sense of where right and wrong lie, we can act appropriately.

 But the world is not like this. This oversimplification is perfect way to hide malfeasance. The IRA are bad we can treat them however we like, the security forces are good, we must always have their backs. So, in the skewed world of Northern Ireland, the state can cooperate with loyalist paramilitaries to kill those suspected of being in the IRA extra-judicially.  These loaded terms allow for all kinds of injustices such as locking up people you know didn't commit a crime, and leaving them to rot in prison (Birmingham six). The ironic thing about this is that the very injustice you thereby commit feeds the beast you want to kill, and the state, as the 'security forces' acts no differently to the 'terrorists' they seek to destroy.  

On a broader comment on such labels, and again, not defending terrorism in any form, but rather attempting to understand what drives people to such extremes, it's worth noting that, as a Catholic nationalist in northern Ireland, you were very likely not to have a job or a house, or in many cases a vote, just because of who you are, and it's worth noting that the 'security forces' were almost 95% or more made up of Protestant 'loyalists.'  and, the early years of the 'troubles'  you might indeed well  be interned without trial, just because of who you are.  Not difficult to see the recipe for violence in this set-up.

On the actual topic under discussion, the reneging on an international treaty, the undermining of the rule of law undermines all law. It is obvious that no one will view the UK's word in the same light.  the former UK amabassador to the US wrote a great piece in the Guardian on this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/15/kim-darroch-new-brexit-bill-damaging-to-uks-international-reputation

yea one lot as bad as the other...my man in the sky is better than yours...we Irish hate you Brits so much we blow ourselves up....Ireland will most likely be one Island country at some point in the future...England could have given everyone in the north a million quid to behave and it would have been cheaper...

Great post Declan, hopefully, help educate and illustrate to a wider audience the crux of the issues and the deep feeling in Ireland over this renege. It simply cannot be allowed to pass as it actually causes more harm to Britain in the long run. Insanity. 

Lord Darroch is bang on the money, again.