Life in Spain post Brexit - Page 12

Yes, the Cons got an 80 seat majority while 57% of the vote went elsewhere in December 2019 - fact.  Those figures were available the day after the election and every day since, so not sure why you do not know about it or why you are questioning it.  Do you not understand the UK's undemocratic and out-dated FPTP system for electing MPs (as opposed to a more democratic and more representative system of PR)? 

And you think all that has stopped no not at all, go and see the illegal immigrants detention centers all over SE England and see they are full of exactly the types you mentioned and they are still coming in by boat loads and UK government has no answer as to how to control it or indeed stop it

We has changed is that we are now receiving more economical migrants rather than the resourceful eur

Again another reasoned , logical, and informed response. 🍷

You have just demonstrated that you do not understand the difference between an immigrant, a refugee, asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant.  Please educate yourself on the differences and the different laws that cover those people.  

For the record (and if you need it I can direct you to some of the relevant laws, treaties and court cases if you really, want to read through a few hundred pages of legal stuff), someone arriving on a dinghy from France is not actually arriving illegally, anyone can rock up to the UK in a boat.  They only become illegal if they do not take the first available opportunity to declare their arrival to the authorities, with or without proof of documentation of who they are or where they have come from.  

Absolutely no one has any idea how many illegal migrants live in any country - the are undocumented, unknown about, can't claim anything from the state, there is no record of them, and live below the radar. 

An asylum seeker does not have to seek asylum in the first 'safe' country in which they arrive.  That is established legal position as set out in the Genevre Convention and there were three precedent court cases and judgements in the Supreme Court in 1999 to confirm how the GC should be interpreted within British law.  Unless, of course, you can quote any change in that ruling - case number and details to be included.

Refugees are covered by other internationals laws and the UK takes fewer refugees than many countries.

Immigration has always been controlled - non-EU migrants were covered by existing UK laws and made up the higher portion of migrants.  EU-migrants had to comply with the rules surrounding FoM, which the UK chose not to enforce in many cases.

Not at all, I'm highlighting that the "will of the people" mantra is nonsense, it's just another slogan like take back control and get brexit done, the outcome was not clear and as I've stated it came on the back of the 2015 migrant crisis which Farage played on. The only clarity from the referendum was that over 16 million wanted to stay in the EU, 11 million were not too bothered and 17 million for a variety of reasons from the curvature of bananas, to some idea of lost sovereignty and everything inbetween.

Another point, which should not be forgotten, "ilegal" migrants into UK used to be returned using Dublin agreement this is now not available. 

Só migrants passing from a eu country cannot be returned to EU country they  left, another brexit "Bonus". 

Worth noting on the point around FPTP, that there was a 2011 referendum on the introduction of STV (EDIT - as correctly pointed out, the referendum was on the AV system; I meant to write PR here but erroneously wrote STV so apologies for that) which was rejected by the British people by 68% to 32%. The turnout was very low but there was clearly no mandate by the British people to change the system.

So yes, the whole constituency FPTP system remains , which largely returns disproportionate majorities compared to the actual % vote. That is just as true now as it has been throughout its existence.

We were not offered PR but AV, an alternative voting system, it was convoluted and most people just shrugged their shoulders and thought what's the point.

I voted for brexit but the reason wasn't immigration it was uncontrolled immigration due to free movement which put strain on all of the UK services. It's ironic that due to the arrogance of Merkel not listening to the British people when David Cameron was in control.and acceptance of small changes brexit became reality.

What part of over a million people is ‘not clear’ the 11000000 who didn’t bother are irrelevant as there’s no way of knowing what they were thinking. Stop trying to justify your personal position/view and get behind the country, we can’t change the result so support positive progress, there’s no place for wingers.