Life in Spain post Brexit - Page 13

There was never 'uncontrolled' immigration to the UK.  The rules for non-EU migrants are clear and the rules under EU/SM Freedom of Movement are clear.  I agree that successive UK governments chose to not always implement them, but the rules existed.  And if the UK government of the time had chosen to do so they could have further limited FoM for the first 7 years from the former eastern-block countries when they first joined the EU, but the UK chose not to do so.  

I do find it amazing that people who have either exercised their right under FoM to move or travel frequently to Spain don't actually understand the rules of FoM, and that some who stayed in Spain ignoring those rules (therefore illegal immigrants themselves) moan about legal immigrants in the UK.  I have yet to meet anyone who voted leave who could articulate the rules that govern FoM, they all seemed to think it meant anyone of any nationality could stroll into the UK if they travelled from an EU country - such ignorance was (and is) rife.  

Plus the UK cannot function without immigrants.  Pre-covid there were officially 1.5 million unemployed in the UK and around 3 million EU citizens working in the UK, so even if you ignore all the reasons why those 1.5m unemployed could not do the most of the jobs those 3m were doing, there is still no way the UK doesn't need migrant workers.  Plus add in all the non-EU migrants working in the UK and you start to get a picture of just how much the UK is dependent on migrants.

If you have links to factual reports from credible sources that confirm immigration was uncontrolled then I am more than willing to read them.

You can only speak for yourself, maybe you can’t understand the workings of the world,  I have no idea where you get your factual indications that the working class know nothing of the world. Where the 17.5 million Brexiteers working class and stupid? I don’t think so I also don’t think the 16+ million remain voters where stupid either, so don’t class and judge others by your standards of intelligence and knowledge.

You can only speak for yourself as I’ve mention to alavib don’t class everyone with your own standards of knowledge and intelligence.

Why would I question a democratic vote or even look to see what percentage of votes we got with an 80 seat majority I’m a Tory.

After reading through this thread, all the for and against argument..... it still goes back to a simple fact.

Do you believe in a democratic voice?

I believe in a strong remain stance, but my belief in a strong ‘democratic voice’ trumps that’s x1000’s of times over and I’ll get on with it now.

I’d suggest you all do the same.

The arguments are really tiresome & monotonous, and it has been for a long time, it’s doing nothing for all your mental health and if you’ve nothing more to argue about than  this then maybe it’s time you move to North Korea or to some other socialist oppressive state  where you won’t have issues like this in the future.

Time to lock down this played out topic or maybe time for contributors to move with others who had to vacate this place in the past to where the tumbleweed blow and they have themselves and like minded individuals to converse with.

Grow up - Move on.

I think you got that wrong the illegal immigrants that are coming into the UK from France are Eu illegal economic immigrants and I believe to quote the Eu all immigrants wishing to seek asylum should do so in the first safe country they land in ie mainland Europe. As far as I know there are no unsafe countries at war within the Eu.

As far as I’m concerned any immigrant no matter what nationality or colour are welcome in the UK as long as they go through the proper legal channels.

 And as someone mentioned we have a lot of immigrants working in the NHS and the care industry who are legally in the UK and they are fantastic.

can anyone help me, ive lost my ski,s in Alacanti airport, seanie

What was reasoned about that statement we have uncontrolled immigration coming by boat from France every day,if they did it legally maybe this debate wouldn’t be happening.

Your lucky Seanie....

I’m loosing the will to live .... 🤪

Why don’t you stop your whining and insults Brexit has happened get a life.