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Kimmy11

Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 1:11pm

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Alfapash wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:54am:

£1800 a year but thats a lot of money especially at the moment when non residents cannot even travel. Many pay more. That's my point we are all still paying into the Spanish economy regardless. Where I am, the non residents have brought a lot of money into Spain and the area has been transformed...

..., partly by us owning a holiday home, spending a lot of money. Its also created a lot of new jobs. I don't want to live in Spain nor do many others that have a holiday home.

Now due to the 90 /180 rule that is being enforced I won't be able to come to Spain when I would like to, do due to this rule . If had been 180 in any one year that would have been fine.  As it is for EU citizens that want to come to the Uk, they can come up to 180 days in any one year.  Even lots of pensioners who would have occupied hotels over the winter months won't be able to stay as they normally would have. That will affect certain hotels and those areas that attract those people.

Any reduction of visitors is a reduction in money going into the Spanish economy.

But Alfapash, it IS still 180 days in 365 - it's just that now you can only do it in 2 maximum periods of 90 days each, rather than a continuous 180 days.  Your property still continues to be empty for 6 months of the year.  The ones who are/will be seriously impacted are the overstayers/illegal immigrants.

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 4:55pm

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Alfapash wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:54am:

£1800 a year but thats a lot of money especially at the moment when non residents cannot even travel. Many pay more. That's my point we are all still paying into the Spanish economy regardless. Where I am, the non residents have brought a lot of money into Spain and the area has been transformed...

..., partly by us owning a holiday home, spending a lot of money. Its also created a lot of new jobs. I don't want to live in Spain nor do many others that have a holiday home.

Now due to the 90 /180 rule that is being enforced I won't be able to come to Spain when I would like to, do due to this rule . If had been 180 in any one year that would have been fine.  As it is for EU citizens that want to come to the Uk, they can come up to 180 days in any one year.  Even lots of pensioners who would have occupied hotels over the winter months won't be able to stay as they normally would have. That will affect certain hotels and those areas that attract those people.

Any reduction of visitors is a reduction in money going into the Spanish economy.

Yes but you dont have to live here to be a resident that's the point. If people had became resident they could travel free whenever and never need to worry abit it. 

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 5:49pm

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Martyn1986 wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 4:55pm:

Yes but you dont have to live here to be a resident that's the point. If people had became resident they could travel free whenever and never need to worry abit it. 

Well, you certainly can’t leave Spain for more than 182 days each year, for the first five years, as recently posted by Kimmy11

You would also be fiscally responsible to Spain. People, depending on their circumstances, might view that as unacceptable 🤪🥂

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 6:32pm

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Martyn1986 wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 4:55pm:

Yes but you dont have to live here to be a resident that's the point. If people had became resident they could travel free whenever and never need to worry abit it. 

Hi Martyn,

UK citizens who are Spanish residents could certainly stay in other countries for part of a year, but they have to be in Spain for at least 183 days (6 months + 1 day), or they void their residency; this also makes them tax resident in Spain.

Since Brexit, UK citizens' movements, now as Third Country Nationals, are monitored in the Schengen travel zone - with the introduction of ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System) in 2022, this will be determine whether people can enter the zone, or not.

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:03pm

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Martyn1986 wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 4:55pm:

Yes but you dont have to live here to be a resident that's the point. If people had became resident they could travel free whenever and never need to worry abit it. 

Martyn 1986 :You do have to be a resident to live in Spain, after 180 days you should register for tax and then whatever your income and worldwide assets are would be liable for tax in Spain. You can only be resident in one country. I don't think you understand the law.

Angebadge. Unfortunately although its in 2 parts of 90 days, they don't suit me and probably many others as well .  If I come for April and May, and June 29th = 90 days, I cannot come back until October 1st. I would rather come back for September and October, but that is not possible under the schengan area rule. The 180 days keep rolling. Some of my neighbours in Spain like to go out for Christmas and stay until the end of April, that also isn't possible. Even though thats slightly more than 4 months. We all know that wasn't really allowed but never the less it has been allowed before Brexit. I didn't vote for it.

Its the way it is but I don't have to like, considering what I'm paying to have a second home that I cannnot go to when I would like too. Nothing we can do, but some will decide enough is enough.

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:20pm

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Hi Alfapash,

It was me who made the point about holiday-home owners still being allowed to spend a total of 180 days in Spain, but in two periods of 90 days.  AngeBadge, like you, is also a holiday-home owner, who has previously stated that she didn't vote for Brexit either, but she is also impacted by the small majority who did.  All holiday-home owners, who did not vote for Brexit, have my sympathy for the position in which they now find themselves.

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:23pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:23pm

Portet wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 12:08pm:

Besides the other contributions I make to the Spanish economy, whether my place is empty or occupied, I employ a housekeeper, a gardener and a pool person. If I was resident I would do those myself and these jobs for locals would be gone.

Not true

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:40pm

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Martyn1986 wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:23pm:

Not true

Explain why it looks like you are calling me a liar

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:14pm

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Portet wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 7:40pm:

Explain why it looks like you are calling me a liar

Those jobs wouldn't be gone, always places needing cleaned, also you choose to have someone do them weather you're a resident or not. 

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Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:48pm

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Martyn1986 wrote on Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:14pm:

Those jobs wouldn't be gone, always places needing cleaned, also you choose to have someone do them weather you're a resident or not. 

I think you are struggling to understand that the work 'I' provide and contribution 'I' make by employing these people would be gone.

I have no choice to pay someone to do it as a non-resident. It can't be done virtually!! 

If I was resident I could do them myself.

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