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aitchc1401

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:16pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:16pm

Bodil wrote on Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:42pm:

Totally agree. The WHO has now come out to say that we cannot continue with boosters, a new vaccine is needed. An  EU funded study showed general immunity is reduced with multiple vaccines. The effect of the present vaccines on old variants lasted (deaths reduced) 10 weeks. ONS have now come...

... out confirming that (freedom of information request) approximately 10% of people dying WITH Covid, died FROM Covid (no other illnesses). 12000 deaths from Covid in 2020.  Every year on average, 25000 people die from flu and pneumonia. 

And - as you say - the wealthier have got considerably wealthier. Last time I looked, 500000 businesses had gone bust in the UK due to lock-downs.

What is the end game? 

Can you give the links to the articles where you got your information from, thanks.

Re your last point on covid deaths, are you claiming that only 12000 died from covid in the UK in 2020?

Aitch.

Kim007

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:34pm

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Alfapash wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:37pm:

I have just seen this on the Chronicle Live paper:

Currently, to qualify as "fully vaccinated" to enter Spain from the UK, tourists aged 12 and over must have had either two doses of a two-shot vaccine (such as AstraZeneca, Moderna or Pfizer), or one dose of a one-shot vaccine (such as the Janssen jab), with the final dose administered at...

... least 14 days ago.

So, that means you do not need a booster jab to holiday in Spain in January 2022, as long as you have had at least two doses of a two-shot jab or one dose of a one-dose vaccine and waited at least 14 days from the date of your final jab.

But from February 1, 2022 the rules will change. From then, you won't be allowed into Spain if your most recent coronavirus jab was more than 270 days ago. So if you've only had two jabs, and the second was 270 days ago, you will need a booster jab taken more than 14 days before your arrival date.

Travel Safe Spain says : "From 1 February 2022, in order to travel to Spain with a vaccination certificate, the certificate must have been issued by the competent authorities of the country of origin at least 14 days after the date of administration of the last dose of the full course of vaccination, as long as the final dose of that course of vaccination was no more than 270 days ago. From that time, the certificate must show the administration of a booster vaccination.

So if you havn't had a 3rd booster you will need to at some point depending on when you had the second of a 2 dose vaccine or from when you had the one jab vaccine, to enter Spain.

Considering the scientists are saying the third dose wanes after 10-12 weeks its a bit pointless.

Does anybody know what 1st February 2022 new regulations are for persons coming from East Flanders, Belgium and arriving in Gandia, Valencia?  Our doctors PCR tests are negative.  We have kept to the strict lockdown rules and regulations in Belgium.  Comments are warmly welcome.  Thank you.

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:44am

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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:44am

well...Mmmmm whatever...lol

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Karenessex wrote on Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:45pm:

I'm beginning to wish I'd never had the vaccinations now but too late. Both me and my husband have said we're not having any more but then they get you by taking things away and stopping you from doing certain things like travel. We never wanted to be vaccinated but felt under pressure because of...

... our ages and having a second European home plus all the confusing and frankly quite scary media reports etc. do I think we are being controlled and monitored...yes I think I do now and it's not very nice knowing total strangers have the power to know almost everything about you. I'm not keen on this world anymore nothing good is going to come of all this. I lost family members to covid back in the beginning and feel bitter about how everything was handled by the government and all their minions. I just want to live my last years visiting my beautiful Spanish home in the mountains without aggravation but that's looking less likely as everyone in power is making life harder and harder for us all. Sorry rant over but absolutely get where your coming from and thanks for the insight 

Me too I’ve only had 2 jabs and covid also. I’m not having the booster but have a house in spain so not sure how the hell we going to get there. Our granddaughter is coming out in July but she’s only had 2 jabs and her mum doesn’t want her to have the booster she’s only 16 it’s dreadful. I thought they would continue with tests to go in but doesn’t look like it. I hope things change soon. 

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Lynne 2626 wrote on Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:05am:

Me too I’ve only had 2 jabs and covid also. I’m not having the booster but have a house in spain so not sure how the hell we going to get there. Our granddaughter is coming out in July but she’s only had 2 jabs and her mum doesn’t want her to have the booster she’s only 16 it’s dreadf...

...ul. I thought they would continue with tests to go in but doesn’t look like it. I hope things change soon. 

well personally I think it's all just bluff and will do what I have done from the beginning and as the english say..carry on regardless.. I have many friends that do the same

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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:00am

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Kim007 wrote on Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:34pm:

Does anybody know what 1st February 2022 new regulations are for persons coming from East Flanders, Belgium and arriving in Gandia, Valencia?  Our doctors PCR tests are negative.  We have kept to the strict lockdown rules and regulations in Belgium.  Comments are warmly welcome.&nb...

...sp; Thank you.

 

 Hi Kim,

         if you read the attached from the EU commission which was released a couple of days ago it outlines their new recommendations for EU member states. Spain is supposedly going to follow the recommendations so that can give you some idea of what the rules may be from Feb 1st but until Spain makes an official announcement it is only guesswork.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/official-eu-to-introduce-new-individual-based-travel-restrictions-from-february-1/

 If you are fully vaccinated I would not see any problems. If you read the recommendation you will see that it mentions allowing a negative PCR test is a alternative option for people who have either not been vaccinated or who have been vaccinated but not in the last 270 days.  

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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:57am

Alfapash wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:25pm:

Yes Aitch, but depending on when you got the third booster in the Uk, remembering some had it as soon as they could, what happens when their 3rd jab is older than 270 days? some people had it in November, 270 days is slightly less than 9 months , so that could be end of July /August time, then wh...

...at? If they had it in January, that's September time.  I really don't think many will want another. W.H.O have stated its not a good thing to keep vaccinating the populations.

Rules have been drastically changed today in the Uk, some from tomorrow and many others from the 26th of January.

Don't muddy the water! There is no suggestion that a 4th vac will be necessary. I doubt seriously that the Spanish government will want to harm their 2022 tourist season. The new 270 day rule will help to boost UK booster programme, which Johnson will then take credit for!!

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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:28pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:28pm

I’ve just Called 119 & been advised as long as you’ve had all 3 Jabs, I’m fine to travel to Spain in March fyi 

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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:52am

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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:52am

GrahamLynn wrote on Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:17am:

Regardless of the length of validity of a  EUDCC  or an NHS covid pass, Spain have yet to announce the new travel regulations and exactly what will be required for entry into Spain after 31 Jan

Current regulations are set to be updated in the next couple of days. Wait for the BOE. 

Lynn

The attached from the Schengen website yesterday;

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/only-4-days-left-until-travel-rules-to-spain-change-for-uk-nationals/

“From February 1, 2022, in order to travel to Spain with a vaccination certificate, the certificate must have been issued by the competent authorities of the country of origin at least 14 days after the date of administration of the last dose of the full course of vaccination, as long as the final dose of that course of vaccination was no more than 270 days ago,” the statement of Spain’s official travel website, Safe Spain, explains.

The BOE from 28th December:

https://www.boe.es/eli/es/res/2021/12/28/(1)

I would say it is going to be the rule from 1st February.

Aitch.

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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:47pm

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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:47pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:16pm:

Can you give the links to the articles where you got your information from, thanks.

Re your last point on covid deaths, are you claiming that only 12000 died from covid in the UK in 2020?

Aitch.

Deaths from Covid only, no underlying condition;

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

Data from European study showing waning immunity in people with multiple inoculations;

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

https://fortune.com/2022/01/12/ema-who-covid-fourth-boosters-pfizer-flu-endemic/

Unfortunately, unable to find the original research. I wish autors felt the need to verify their articles with data!

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-says-more-research-needed-vaccine-efficacy-against-omicron-2022-01-11/

Interview with various doctors this morning, claimed that if you were multiple-vaccinated, you were 8 times more likely to have problems if you caught Covid, so most people in hospital now with Omicron, are vaccinated. They referred to PHE. I looked at the link, and (from p 34) it looks like the majority is, but not sure if it is 8 times as many. This is the link I found, think it is the newest; You may likely do a better job than me.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1049160/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-3-2022.pdf

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