Boris being Boris ? .... or something serious and sinister ? - Page 2

Rose tints as regards the EU stance I'm afraid, they have been trying to introduce many caveats from the original so called agreement, that by the way never cleared Parliament.

So it is only the UK that are bickering is it, as I said before .rose tints.

And of course you are totally unbiased, even tho' you obviously are a remainer

The withdrawal agreement is a legally binding international treaty. To quote the NI secretary, a government minister! "the proposal does break international law". Does anyone think that breaking international law is either democratic or good thing? Who would want to deal with a country which breaks international treaties it has agreed?

And as to the involvement of the ECJ, the section of the withdrawl agreement that covers the NI protocol specifically names this as the method of dispute resolution!!

Even in the recent General Election, the "sunlit uplands" version of Brexit was being peddled.

Our leaders are now trying to salvage something ... anything .... from that promise.

Nevertheless, the Brexit decision was made, and it will be what it will be. No need to re-run that debate here.

My question was twofold ...

- Is Boris negotiating in bad faith (messing with the EU) ?

-  Is this jeopardising the Withdrawal Agreement (messing with everybody) ? 

My view, fwiw, is yes and maybe

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Curiously, this just popped up on my facebook ... so not mine ... and I don't want to lump all Conservatives together ... but it is funny

A tale of morality ... Boris Johnson dies...

His soul arrives in heaven and he is met by St.Peter at the Pearly Gates. Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there's a problem: We seldom see a Conservative here and we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in; I'm a believer," says Johnson.

“I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from the Man Himself: He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must choose where you'll live for eternity."

"But, I've already made up my mind; I want to be in Heaven."

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush country house garden. Standing in front of it his dad...and thousands of other Conservatives who had helped him out over the years.......

The whole of the "Right" was there. .

Everyone laughing...happy...casually but expensively dressed.

They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had getting rich at the expense of the "suckers and plebs". They play a friendly game of croquet and then dine on lobster and caviar.

The Devil himself comes up to Johnson with a frosty drink, "Have a Marguerita and relax, Boris!"

"Uh, I can't drink any more, I’m watching my weight," says Johnson, dejectedly.

"This is Hell, Boris: you can drink and eat all you want and not worry, and it just gets better from there!"

Johnson takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes and pulls hilarious nasty pranks. kind of like an Oxford undergrad.

They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it, it's time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Johnson steps on the elevator and heads upward.

When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven," the old man says, opening the gate.

So for 24 hours, Johnson is made to chill with a bunch of honest,

good-natured people who enjoy each other's company, talk about things other than money and treat each other decently.

Not a nasty prank or mean joke among them; no fancy country seats and, while the food tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor, he doesn't see anybody he knows, and he isn't even treated like someone special!

Worst of all, to Johnson, Jesus turns out to be some kind of hippie with his endless 'peace' and 'do unto others' stuff.

"Whoa," he says uncomfortably to himself, "Margaret never prepared me for this!"

The day is done, St. Peter returns and says, "Well, then, you've spent a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for eternity."

With the 'Jeopardy' theme playing softly in the background, Johnson reflects for a minute, then answers:

"Well, I would never have thought I'd say this - I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all - but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends."

So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell.

The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of barren scorched earth called Brexit Britain covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste...

He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and hands black with grime.

The Devil comes over to Johnson and puts an arm around his shoulder.

"I don't understand," stammers a shocked Johnson, "Yesterday I was here and there was a country house and we ate lobster and

caviar....drank cocktails.

We lounged around and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!"

The Devil looks at him smiles slyly, and purrs, "Yesterday we were campaigning; today you voted for us"

absolutely correct why we have put up with this nightmare i dont know we should never have joined in the first place, 40 years wasted.

The whole concept of the EU is to give a level playing field to all members, unfortunately the level of fairness is determined by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.

We have laws and codes of practice which are supposed to be met by all member states. Are our farmers and fishermen on this level playing field, are the correct codes of practice observed on building and industrial sites by all member states, are subsidies fairly distributed , The answer to these and unfortunately too many other directives is no they are not.

The unfairness of this so called level playing field has seen the demise of many British industries.

Stick to your guns Boris, if a settlement can't be reached that is suitable and acceptable to all parties, walk away from the table and bring the £39 Billion back with you

Replying to Barwick19.

I voted to remain and the vote went in   favor of Brexit.

I accepted the will of the majority as I always have in any vote 

So wanting to stay a European I sold up and moved to Spain .

I have all my paperwork and am a resident of Spain I am an immigrant 

I decided I will never take  part in a British election or referendum Againas long as I live in Spain. As personally I do not feel entitled to do so.

I’m sure I am not the only person on this forum who feels offended when you say WE when referring to Brexit or all things British .

We live in Spain / Europe and Should be embracing all things Spanish in my opinion.

I have to ask you out of curiosity why you live in Europe if you are against the European
Parliament .

Maybe you hoping spain will have a referendum and leave the EU.

If I had voted for Brexit in the referendum and the Conservative party in the general election 

I would still be In Britain waiting   for all of the good things to happen that was promised by the  Brexit supporters after taking back control.

The 'we' I refer to is the EU,  to which 'we' are still fully paid up members.

I live in the UK, and am proud to do so.

You might find this informative:

https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2019-21/europeanunionwithdrawalagreement.html

Barwick19 wrote "Stick to your guns Boris, if a settlement can't be reached that is suitable and acceptable to all parties, walk away from the table and bring the £39 Billion back with you"

So you actively encourage law breaking? Says a lot about the strength of your argument doesn't it?

The Withdrawal agreement was agreed by this government receiving Royal Assent on 23rd Jan 2020. They now want to change it illegally as they say it is inconsistent. Is this because:

1. They didn't read it properly?

2. They didn't understand it?

3. They lied when they said it was an "oven ready" deal?

4. They were incompetent?

5. All of the above in order to get the (add your own adjective) to elect them?

What exactly what impact do you think this will have on the UK's reputation when it wants to sign trade agreements with other countries? Who do you think will trust us? 

Oh, and the €39bn (by the way it's less now) is the balance of the UK's legally agreed commitment under the current EU budget cycle. It is NOT a divorce settlement!