2nd serious question for all Brexiteers - Page 2

Well I have read some drivel to say the least. Let me tell you why I voted out, based on a few but not all points.

Firstly Freedom of Movement and before you throw the racist xenophobe card at me, let me give you an example. I have family that live in Boston (74% voted leave). Older people feeling scared to go out at night with groups of drunken Eastern Europenas gathering on street corners and abusing locals.Freedom of Movement has caused utter destruction of housing schooling and Health care via the GP services. How the hell can a nation plan its short and long term infrastructural needs when it has no idea how many people it will have to plan for? A population growth of nett 200k per annum is destructive and incredibly divisive.

The EU Commission  and the attempts to remove all sovereign status from all member states (Read Helmut Kohls speeches to draw your own opinion). British fishing communities destroyed by the CFP and the CAP subsidising inept French farmers.

The £150 million per year to once a month take the EU parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg - what utter nonsensical waste of cash - part of which is UK cash!

All I read from expats sitting in their posh ghettoes is the concern about the exchange rate effects on pensions, and hoping that the UK economy will self destruct so they can have more Euros for extra bottles of Larios or Baco brandy from Mercadona!

The UK will be free of the stifling shackles of the European Union and as someone who adores Europe and its peoples after working and living in Spain, France, Germany, Ireland (both), Germany, Holland Austria and Belgium I am truly excited at this GREAT Britain forging ahead and becoming a truly global trading nation especially with our Commonwealth cousins, whom the snake Heath turned his back on in 1973. You think the EU is wondertul -  well good luck and long may you be able to enjoy all your benefits from it. I will still visit all my friends in Europe and Scandinavia  with that wonderful document that will not have  "European Union" printed on it when I cross the borders.

I did not realise how bad things had got in Villamartin.

V

There you go, your views as to why you voted to leave are so dear to you and likes of you who voted the same

But you cannot bear the views of the other 48% who voted to stay

The margin of vining vote was rigged due to government not allowing many eligible people to vote so don’t go on paying yourself in the back with your stupid reasons as how happy you are 

Likes of you are the reason why UK is in such state way behind the real world 

That´s OK. ...."Hell", Hull, Shackles..... OK. William Wilberforce 

 Quotes:

• “You may choose to look the other way but you can never say again that you did not know.” ...
• “We are too young to realize that certain things are impossible... ...

Firstly, I CAN bear the views of those that voted to Remain, but what I cannot bear are the consistent bleatings of that 48%  that just cannot accept that   48% is less than 52% and with the figures involved, over 1.2 million! Well that is a small majority eh lol!

That's how the Spanish authorities must feel with up to 400.000 illegal brit immigrants hiding in, as you call them, the "posh ghettoes"

Sorry, but what the heck does that mean? If Spanish authorities as you, in your infinite knowledge state, know that these 400k are hiding in the Spanish state, then wht are they going to do? Your comment is rather superfluous and without any significant elaboration - so please give me a further detail.

So, nothing to do with the EU imposing restrictions after the UK fishermen reduced stocks for all by overfishing. Hence the decline of the fishing industry in Hull and Grimsby. Nothing at all to do with the EU fishing.

Perhaps you might need to do just a little further research to give this comment some credence. Also, perhaps you may wish to espouse your thoughts to the fishing communities around the whole coastal communities around the shores of the UK Including Scotland?

I don't know the exact figures, but I would hazard a guess that there is an order of magnitude more "Commonwealth cousins" in the UK than EU citizens.

Well I have read some covert racist comments over many years and this one ranks high amongst them! This is a deplorable and totally insulting statement that there are more "Commonwealth cousins" in the UK than EU citizens. That is an absolutely disgusting and despicable racist comment - no more or less and you should retract it forthwith!

So there it is!!!

Years of conservative austerity that has damaged our Nhs,policing social care,schools,social housing etc etc 

Not because we were part of the EU

Why is that racist? I don't think you have read my comment correctly.

Yes Commonwealth cousins is indeed my comment - meaning the peoples of the Commonwealth all of them and I do not need to list all of the 60 plus nations in that great family.

I don't begrudge the "Commonwealth cousins" (your term not mine) a place in the UK. It was you bemoaning the fact that Heath had turned his back on them in 1973. My response only goes to show that whatever Heath did, he wasn't successful and a good number, a lot more than the number of EU citizens, are happily and peacefully settled in the UK, as are EU citizens.

 Getting rid of EU citizens is a xenophobic bigoted act which, although your post doesn't endorse it, implies that it has your support.

Who said a single word of getting rid of EU citizens? I most certainly DID NOT. EU citizens that are settled in the UK are from  my point of view more than welcome to remain in the UK and add to the prosperity of this nation. I am in no way opposed to immigration, because this nation has been built with the help of immigrants especially those from the West Indies and the rest of the Commonwealth, I have Asian friends in Leicester and it is a huge pleasure to visit and share the celebrations of Divali as well as Jewish friends across my home city who invite me to celebrate their feast days and remember the Shoah,all of whom  have become a strong vibrant force within the UK and long may that continue. The UK NEEDS immigrants - read that again NEEDS immigrants. What is not sustainable is totally uncontrolled immigration forced upon the UK by the faceless apparatchiks of the EU. So you can read whatever you may wish into my postings, but I would with respect that you take  time to consider exactly the meanings of my posts.

Now Windrush, that is a scandal, but a more modern one carried out by Teresa May in the last few years, and still not sorted out yet.

I could not agree more with your thoughts

"the stifling shackles of the European Union" is an outright offensive remark to anyone who is happy to live in the EU

An outright offensive remark? What a complete load of pure tosh. My opinions of the EU as an attempt at a  supranational state has nothing at all to do with insulting those who live in the EU. So you are saying that I offer offence to the 300k Brits who live in Spain because my opinion of the EU,  (and not the continent of Europe and its peoples) does not meet with your agreement - total nonsense. The EU is a protectionist racket that is aiming to take total and absolute control of every nation state with no regard for the diverse cultures, traditions and economies of each individual nation state. 

Remember recently " sit down and take your flags with you".

Helmut Kohl " Being German and European unification are two sides of the same coin."

“Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening"...…….. … Jean Monnet a founding father of the Common Market.

By the way who said that the austerity was the fault of the EU - it was absolutely vital after Brown and his gang of fools left the nation next to bankruptcy and that has been endorsed by the smashing of comrade Corbinski and his Marxist cabal's so called RED WALL in December!

Roy

Like you I also do not care what will or will not happen to uk post Dec 31 2020

But my point was the margins of winning was so small as it was rigged by lies which were told and many older folks fell for it that there should have been a second referendum 

Why it did not happen cause the Tories knew they would lose cause over two million people who could not vote would have been able and all indications were they would have voted to remain 

So the whole thing was rigged from start and this is not democracy 

But like you I am here to stay and will live the rest of my life

Uk as a country is a great place but it’s political system has been and always will be run by a cutting elite who control the media and thus what people are led to believe 

That will not change 

What a load crap.i am afraid you are another one not bothered what happens to the UK but cannot stop talking about it.so not your problem let the Brits sought it out and they will.

Out of all posts, I think this one is the most nearer the truth than others. (Missing out the alternative financial, &-or controling face-less persons whom actually drive the trade oncoming discussions) You are about as near as you have been. V