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Kimmy11

Posted: Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:19am

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Posted: Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:19am

I absolutely agree, Lancelot, that it's this Government's policy to leave the EU without a deal - that's why I've signed the petition.

Kind regards, 

Kim

Kelvin1960

Posted: Sat Apr 4, 2020 11:26pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 4, 2020 11:26pm

Thanks Movington

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Neil999

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seanie

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 5:44pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 5:44pm

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god help us how many people on here dont believe in democracy, too much sun me thinks,seanie

Steveyjoanna

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 7:21pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 7:21pm

It ia always with sadness and no little annoyance that I read similar comments as this extolling the virtues of everybody and everything regarding this virus as wonderful and the British Government as best pathetic.This is indicative of of how many "remainer"expats live in Spain and who are keen to run down Boris and his government.

At worst the UK is doing as well as and better than most.

Spain is no example as to how a govt can combat this virus.

All EU countries will announce in varying degrees that they are slowly ending lockdown, this will be purely economic as in the EU it is every one for himself and the economies are collapsing.

The UK is coping well ,as is Sweden ,despite the EU attempting to bully them to comply with the EU lockdown,Sweden didnt cave in to media and forieign govt pressure and their economy is running smoothly,the UK caved in eventually to media pressure but did it in a controlled way and are coping,the UK economy can carry the extra costs ,supporting the people now at home ,the EU ,especially Ireland tried to match the Uk but are running out of cash,hence the decision to "relax" measures ,coming shortly!

This week saw the Irish govt close the border with the UK citing "anti virus " measures ,this will also be a handy dry run for when brexit happens to trial public reaction as the UK will not close any border and the EU will have to make Ireland act.

The UK are coping ,have the resources to cope with all eventualities and all the bad news pumped out by the BBC is not to be believed .

NB I voted to stay in,am also an Irish citizen ,over 70 and at risk (?) and have had the covid disease with no undue effects and am now sat indoors drumming my nails looking out at the sunshine , and am confident that this virus ,like all the others will become part of life as we know it as we cannot hide indoors forever.

In my opinion!

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Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:20pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:20pm

Hi Steveyjoanna,

I don't know where you're sourcing the information for your opinion, but this link takes you to a good explanation of why your assertion that, "At worst the UK is doing as well as and better than most" is incorrect:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-data-suggests-the-uk-is-on-course-for-many-thousands-of-deaths-11966517

That said, I'm not surprised that people are confused.  Just tonight, the UK's ITN News headline was, "938 people dead from Covid-19 in the UK in the last 24 hours - the highest death rate in a single day, higher even than any day in Italy".  Hopefully, you've read how the data should be analysed and understand why the ITN's headline is not the appropriate measure of how the disease is progressing in the UK.  Unfortunately, you should also now understand why the UK is on a trajectory that could be at least as bad as Italy.

I also think it's far too soon - if at all - to be holding up Sweden as an exemplar of how to handle this disease.  The world-leading medical journal, The Lancet, has criticised the UK, the USA and Sweden for their slow response to managing this novel coronavirus:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30686-3/fulltext

As the title of this thread reads, "Not political, simply commonsense......"  The intention of the petition is to ensure that the essential focus required to manage this terrible disease in the UK is not distracted by pressure to complete a trade deal with the EU, in a timeframe agreed before we even knew Covid-19 existed.

Kind regards, 

Kim

Villas

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:32pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:32pm

Steveyjoanna wrote on Wed Apr 8, 2020 7:21pm:

It ia always with sadness and no little annoyance that I read similar comments as this extolling the virtues of everybody and everything regarding this virus as wonderful and the British Government as best pathetic.This is indicative of of how many "remainer"expats live in Spain and who are keen ...

...to run down Boris and his government.

At worst the UK is doing as well as and better than most.

Spain is no example as to how a govt can combat this virus.

All EU countries will announce in varying degrees that they are slowly ending lockdown, this will be purely economic as in the EU it is every one for himself and the economies are collapsing.

The UK is coping well ,as is Sweden ,despite the EU attempting to bully them to comply with the EU lockdown,Sweden didnt cave in to media and forieign govt pressure and their economy is running smoothly,the UK caved in eventually to media pressure but did it in a controlled way and are coping,the UK economy can carry the extra costs ,supporting the people now at home ,the EU ,especially Ireland tried to match the Uk but are running out of cash,hence the decision to "relax" measures ,coming shortly!

This week saw the Irish govt close the border with the UK citing "anti virus " measures ,this will also be a handy dry run for when brexit happens to trial public reaction as the UK will not close any border and the EU will have to make Ireland act.

The UK are coping ,have the resources to cope with all eventualities and all the bad news pumped out by the BBC is not to be believed .

NB I voted to stay in,am also an Irish citizen ,over 70 and at risk (?) and have had the covid disease with no undue effects and am now sat indoors drumming my nails looking out at the sunshine , and am confident that this virus ,like all the others will become part of life as we know it as we cannot hide indoors forever.

In my opinion!

I read with interest some of your opinions, some of which reflects others & also encompassing many facets regarding the covid-19. Your points also mention political & the media & how they (whichever country be in)  address this mutated virus that has now endangered the entire planet.

I believe there are many who have contracted this virus & many that have not realised, not tested & have endured this virus & recovered, possibly weeks or months before it was acknowledged. It is still in dispute of actual origin.(not where discovered) 

In effect, all, including experts, scientists and indeed the W.H.O. are still working out the best way forward of this pandemic, comparing only similar instances in the historic past, & current situation. Therefore We do not know if the resources are sufficient are not. The media reports "at this moment in time" are, day by day. There is much "pumped" out, besides that are fake,or unknown. Therefore it is for us recipients of the news to be discerning & not just "out of hand, it is not to be believed."

In your final point, "this virus ,like all the others will become part of life," is not true ( I hope). Most virus´ come and go & will mutate into some other form in the future. (that´s how virus´ continue).

 This at the moment is for many, a part of death. It´s for us to protect ourselves & others at this moment in time, in the abilities we have. IE: By not allowing further transmission & infection to others. It´s the only way forward, be us living in UK, EU or any part on our planet.

Just in answer a few of your points. I´m sorry it was rather long-winded.

Keep safe.

With respect.

Villas

   

seanie

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 9:12pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 9:12pm

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my dear man,in the present climate, brexit is on the back burner, you seem to have given your allegiance to the spanish and started brit bashing,i can tell you this, things will never be the same again,your bubble as burst,it could not last , as it happens,you are not the only one,seanie

Villas

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 9:48pm

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Not much to disagree with that today young RayD.

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:14pm

May I appeal to everybody who has had wonderful times in Spain that as soon as we are able, we travel to Spain, book holidays in Spain, visit friends in Spain & spend as much money in Spain as we can to boost their economy & to say thankyou for all the great times we have had! Viva Espania!

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