has covid entry rules been changed today - Page 3

MeathMaria wrote on Thu May 19, 2022 12:06am:

I agree with Kimmy above.   In my opinion it is insulting of Gordon H605 to bring human rights into a lame excuse not to have a vaccination.   

Without vaccinations thousands of children would die in agony from entirely preventable diseases like measles.

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Estimates of 6 - 7 million people worldwide have died from Covid 19.    

USA today quote:

‘A terrible price’: As US mourns 1 million COVID-19 deaths, preventable losses among unvaccinated a major regret...

But not to the unvaccinated themselves?

Maria

Kimmy11 wrote on Thu May 19, 2022 1:12pm:

Hi Villas,

Unless I've missed it, I haven't seen anyone on this thread suggest that vaccinations should be mandatory?  But it is odd that some people assert their right to choose not to be vaccinated, while complaining that Spain is making its own choices.

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Kind regards, 

Kim

Kimmy11 wrote on Thu May 19, 2022 9:11pm:

Some potential good news reported in today's edition of The Local:

"Spanish Tourism Minister Reyes Maroto on Thursday, 19th May confirmed that it won’t be long before unvaccinated non-EU/Schengen nationals will be allowed to travel to Spain for non-essential reasons such as tourism, visiting friends or family or spending time in a second home in Spain. ...

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“It’s a matter of days before we eliminate a restriction that could be discouraging tourists from outside the European Union from visiting us,” Reyes told Spanish radio station Onda Cero.  “And that is that we are going to stop requiring the vaccination certificate and allow them to enter with a negative test”. 

"Maroto then stated that this would have to be a PDIA test, which in Spain refers to both PCR and antigen tests. If it’s a negative PCR or similar test (NAAT-type test) it must have been issued less than 72 hours prior to arrival in Spain, or if it’s a negative antigen test, less than 24 hours before arriving in Spain.

"The surprise announcement comes just days after Spanish health authorities decided to extend the ban on non-essential travel for unvaccinated non-EU holidaymakers until 15th June."

So nothing confirmed yet but, potentially, unvaccinated UK tourists may be able to enter Spain sooner than the 15th June.  Watch this space!

Kind regards,

Kim

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed May 18, 2022 11:09pm:

Hi Gordon,

Here are some clinical studies that demonstrate the inaccuracy of your statement, "vaccination has no effect on the likelihood of catching or passing on Covid":

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https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effective-household-transmission-delta/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

While the NHS had been suffering from significant under-funding and its consequent effects prior to the pandemic, this analysis shows that backlogs were significantly exacerbated by Covid-19, having increased from a waiting list of 4.28m at the start of the pandemic in March 2020 to the most current data in February 2022 of 6.18m:

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/nhs-delivery-and-workforce/pressures/nhs-backlog-data-analysis

As I said, Spain is a Sovereign state and has the right to make its own laws, within internationally agreed conventions.  To suggest that I would therefore agree that any other group of people be barred from entry based on "the colour of their skin, or their religion" is, frankly, a ridiculous and insulting conclusion.  There exists a body of international laws which protect human rights in that regard.  In fact, the UK is asserting its own position as a sovereign state with its proposal to ship asylum seekers to Rwanda, and while the proposal is repugnant to many, including me, it remains to be seen whether it will be successfully challenged under international law.  

As for "nationality", different entry rules have legally existed in that respect for many years, e.g. the difference between being an EU citizen versus a Third Country National when entering and staying in the Schengen travel area.  

Kind regards,

Kim

GordonH605 wrote on Thu May 19, 2022 9:57pm:

Your first link is more than a year old.

The second link is more than six months old, refers to the Delta variant which is now irrelevant, and shows only a marginal difference in a specific setting anyway.

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The third link states in the first sentence - 'Most people who get COVID-19 are unvaccinated' - which was a ludicrous claim even back in December, and undermines the credibility of everything that follows.  Presumably this was the basis of Biden's equally ludicrous statement around then that it was going to be 'a long hard winter for the unvaccinated', or something like that.

I did ask for some recent data which justifies you contradicting what I said, but none of this does that.

Ann369 wrote on Sun May 22, 2022 10:15am:

news here reporting Spain is going to allow entry with a negative test not sure from when.