Held hostage by your own government? - Page 4

dinnerout wrote on Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:41pm:

Easyjet has repositioned its British fleet to bring Germans down to the Costa Blanca according to Simon Calder in the Independent. 

As mainland Europeans flood into Spain for their holidays, British home owners and holidaymakers that want to come to Spain are being told no.

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Is the true agenda that the British government really just wants you to spend your cash in the UK? 

Steve

Davee57 wrote on Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:01pm:

You can indeed travel to all parts of England, that’s my whole point! You can travel to Manchester via Bolton for example , mixing on rail platforms without a mask in sight. You don’t need to quarantine in Blackpool. Manchester or Bolton. You don’t need tests to give you permission to trave...

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...l. You don’t need to spend upwards of £800 (based on family of 4) to meet the requirements to travel. You don’t have your temperature taken and when you return home having mixed with (who knows , carrying who knows what) you can mix again with your neighbours , family , friends and colleagues without a care in the world. In fact you’re actively encouraged by the government to behave in this way. Staycations are applauded - crowding our small beaches and tourists spots even more thus increasing potential super/spreaders. Lessons not learned from 16 months ago!

Whereas I , am tested before I travel to Spain, if I fly everyone else on that plane has been tested and jumped through hoops to be on the flight Risks are negligible . I’m temperature tested on landing, I complete location forms, I take tests to return, quarantine for 10 days having had no air contact with strangers (everyone wears a mask in public in Spain). take further two tests and live under virtual house arrest with government agents checking I remain so.

How, just how can this government strategy that allowed the delta covid horse to bolt before trying to lockdown to late and seem tough , just how is this intelligent and coherent?

It makes no sense in terms of public safety otherwise as they did in Spain they would have had internal borders and local / regional closures. it is just a cynical method of this government trying to recoup revenue from the holiday taxpayer. 

It is a prison - you’re locked in , physically and financially, emotionally  with a whimsical traffic light system that is meaningless nonsense. Green or red would have been sufficient. Go or stay put.

Personally I feel safer in the streets of Benissa or Benidorm than in Blackpool or Bolton. If I didn’t have to come back to UK I wouldn’t but another word beginning with B put pay to that, I’ve now got less freedom than I did 6 months ago thanks to that.

This government has spent millions but nothing compared to the US or what the EU are funding to individual member states to come through this crisis. 

aitchc1401 wrote on Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:54am:

Big difference from 16 months ago is that now a massive proportion of the UK population have been vaccinated, many fully vaccinated. Vaccines now being offered to 18 years and above as of a few days ago. 

  You may feel safer in Spain but the reality is average UK deaths are currently 10 per day, none of the major EU countries including Spain come close to that figure. You say you are tested before you fly to Spain? there are no testing or proof of vaccinations required when flying to Sp...

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...ain from the UK, all you need is the completed Spanish Health form. Spanish policy on face masks is under review and likely to be the similar to the UK's next week. Latest news today is that the delta variant will be the dominant strain the Spain within a month - https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-06-21/experts-calculate-that-coronavirus-delta-strain-will-be-predominant-in-spain-in-a-month.htm

I hope Spain do start asking for tests and proof of vaccination.

  Amber coding allows people to travel to Spain who really need to travel, second home owners like myself being one of them. The main UK tourist season starts end of July, by which time the restrictions could be totally different, that depends upon the vaccine rollout in Spain as much as infection rates. The vast majority of the UK adult population will be fully vaccinated come end of July.

 Why is the UK is trying to get money back from it's citizens such a crime in your eyes? Isn't everyone trying to get the same money? Did Spain open the doors to the UK because they wanted to see us after so long or because they wanted the money?

Aitch.

aitchc1401 wrote on Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:54am:

Big difference from 16 months ago is that now a massive proportion of the UK population have been vaccinated, many fully vaccinated. Vaccines now being offered to 18 years and above as of a few days ago. 

  You may feel safer in Spain but the reality is average UK deaths are currently 10 per day, none of the major EU countries including Spain come close to that figure. You say you are tested before you fly to Spain? there are no testing or proof of vaccinations required when flying to Sp...

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...ain from the UK, all you need is the completed Spanish Health form. Spanish policy on face masks is under review and likely to be the similar to the UK's next week. Latest news today is that the delta variant will be the dominant strain the Spain within a month - https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-06-21/experts-calculate-that-coronavirus-delta-strain-will-be-predominant-in-spain-in-a-month.htm

I hope Spain do start asking for tests and proof of vaccination.

  Amber coding allows people to travel to Spain who really need to travel, second home owners like myself being one of them. The main UK tourist season starts end of July, by which time the restrictions could be totally different, that depends upon the vaccine rollout in Spain as much as infection rates. The vast majority of the UK adult population will be fully vaccinated come end of July.

 Why is the UK is trying to get money back from it's citizens such a crime in your eyes? Isn't everyone trying to get the same money? Did Spain open the doors to the UK because they wanted to see us after so long or because they wanted the money?

Aitch.

ianmc1066 wrote on Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:22pm:

Aitch

Absolutely spot on I live in Spain took up residency last year Spain want the money and the UK want to keep it.

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People are loosing jobs in both countries so why should the UK government not do it’s best to save jobs and save lives ?

Spain is struggling hence no need to get tested now on arrival which is very foolish in my view.

I was talking to my Spanish neighbor yesterday they don’t want people to travel from Madrid etc and certainly not the Uk he works in a hospital in Murcia and seen the devastation this virus has caused.

Kind regards

Ian Mc

Con T wrote on Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:59pm:

Agreed totally, this is the sort of information that is being withheld/ edited/ altered by the BBC and people like Calder. As a tourism journalist he isn't!!

aitchc1401 wrote on Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:10pm:

Davee,

     "UK is currently operating as the largest open prison in the world apart from North Korea" - really? I don't know which part of the UK you are living in that it compares to N.Korea?

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 I get that your unhappy with having to pay for testing but don't just ignore the multi-billions the government has given in financial aid to people in the UK.  

  I find it odd that  Boris gets lots of negative press for supposedly restricting the ability of the UK citizens to travel when actually as I pointed out earlier, it's the same policy for all UK regions, Scotland, NI and Wales. If anything Boris perhaps is more liberal in as much as he allows travel to all parts of the UK, including Manchester and Salford.....................

Aitch..

Davee57 wrote on Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:01pm:

You can indeed travel to all parts of England, that’s my whole point! You can travel to Manchester via Bolton for example , mixing on rail platforms without a mask in sight. You don’t need to quarantine in Blackpool. Manchester or Bolton. You don’t need tests to give you permission to trave...

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...l. You don’t need to spend upwards of £800 (based on family of 4) to meet the requirements to travel. You don’t have your temperature taken and when you return home having mixed with (who knows , carrying who knows what) you can mix again with your neighbours , family , friends and colleagues without a care in the world. In fact you’re actively encouraged by the government to behave in this way. Staycations are applauded - crowding our small beaches and tourists spots even more thus increasing potential super/spreaders. Lessons not learned from 16 months ago!

Whereas I , am tested before I travel to Spain, if I fly everyone else on that plane has been tested and jumped through hoops to be on the flight Risks are negligible . I’m temperature tested on landing, I complete location forms, I take tests to return, quarantine for 10 days having had no air contact with strangers (everyone wears a mask in public in Spain). take further two tests and live under virtual house arrest with government agents checking I remain so.

How, just how can this government strategy that allowed the delta covid horse to bolt before trying to lockdown to late and seem tough , just how is this intelligent and coherent?

It makes no sense in terms of public safety otherwise as they did in Spain they would have had internal borders and local / regional closures. it is just a cynical method of this government trying to recoup revenue from the holiday taxpayer. 

It is a prison - you’re locked in , physically and financially, emotionally  with a whimsical traffic light system that is meaningless nonsense. Green or red would have been sufficient. Go or stay put.

Personally I feel safer in the streets of Benissa or Benidorm than in Blackpool or Bolton. If I didn’t have to come back to UK I wouldn’t but another word beginning with B put pay to that, I’ve now got less freedom than I did 6 months ago thanks to that.

This government has spent millions but nothing compared to the US or what the EU are funding to individual member states to come through this crisis. 

KazG wrote on Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:08pm:

We shouldn’t be punished because many have been helped out with furlough. What about the travel industry? They’re hardly making anything at the moment. Just out of interest...are you based in the UK or Spain? I agree we need to travel carefully and the need to test before travel,  but to...

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... only let us to go to Gibraltar, but not to Italy, when Italy has lower cases doesn’t make sense. As far as I’m aware most of Europe are now travelling freely. 

aitchc1401 wrote on Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:11pm:

I did'nt say people should be punished because of furlough, what I was pointing out was that the UK had spent many billions in a multitude of areas, furlough being only one, and that the UK government is not being unreasonable to try and keep as much money in the UK as they can. 

 I live mostly in the UK and have a second home in Spain....

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   Sorry to here about the boiler ssue, you can travel to Spain quite easily to check out your property, even without the urgent reason of checking out a burst boiler. 

Aitch.