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jm0452

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:45pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:45pm

elinspain wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:05pm:

Hello

This paragraph makes me laugh.....

"People that voted for Brexit should be given some credit that they weighed up the pros and cons and werent mindless sheep ... they thought about not just themselves but about the country as a whole".

The members of my family who voted for Brexit are exactly the opposite to what you say. They didn't weigh up the pros & cons, they were absolutely mindless & allowed themselves to be conned by the government, totally regret their decision & dread the future in their 3rd nation country!

Most of the people who voted to remain were frightened by the government 2 vote remain

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:53pm

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jm0452 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:41pm:

Been able to approve the covid vaccine before the bureaucratic EU it's just one of the first advantages that will happen with brexit we will soon overtake France and in another 10-years Germany economically Germany and France I've already stolen all the money that was supposed to go to the poorer...

... countries

Thanks jm.  So you're not concerned that the faster vaccine approval in the UK could be the result of a less rigorous process?  Or that the speed of approval is politically motivated, rather than a science-based achievement?

I'm afraid I don't understand your comment about Germany and France having stolen all the money intended for the poorer countries?  Nevertheless, on what basis do you think the UK's economy will surpass that of Germany in 10 years?

Kind regards, 

Kim

Stephanie86

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:53pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:53pm

jm0452 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:41pm:

Been able to approve the covid vaccine before the bureaucratic EU it's just one of the first advantages that will happen with brexit we will soon overtake France and in another 10-years Germany economically Germany and France I've already stolen all the money that was supposed to go to the poorer...

... countries

Where exactly is the evidence that, allegedly, France and Germany stole money destined for poorer nations? Sweeping statements like this need backuo.

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:57pm

alavib wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:26pm:

statistics show leavers numbers have increased over the last two years. We were duped while in but no longer will we tolerate it!!!

If that is the case so why were the government and all their cronies were so scared to hold a second referendum, which they knew full well they would have lost and the surveys showed that there would have been 8% more people would have voted to remain ...

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So your pie in the sky remarks is just that pie in the sku

Pointless argument: we’ve left, never to return so get behind your country instead of winging and insulting people. No point in constantly reliving a historic referendum

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:08pm

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Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:53pm:

Thanks jm.  So you're not concerned that the faster vaccine approval in the UK could be the result of a less rigorous process?  Or that the speed of approval is politically motivated, rather than a science-based achievement?

I'm afraid I don't understand your comment about Germany and France having stolen all the money intended for the poorer countries?  Nevertheless, on what basis do you think the UK's economy will surpass that of Germany in 10 years?...

...

Kind regards, 

Kim

Hi Kimmy

I can't answer for jm but I have faith in the UK regulatory bodies. If they authorised Sputnik or Sinopharm I might change my mind. 

EU has authorised 2 of our 3 and expect them to authorise Oxford/ AZ by the end of this month.

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20pm

Leafy211 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:34pm:

Most of government was opposed to Brexit so not quite sure what you mean unfortunately.  

It was indeed the common man that voted to leave, even those with properties abroad.  The high numbers of voters that turned out for the democratic Brexit vote and gave it a clear majority were your man in the street. And again those common people turned out for a second time, for the Genera...

...l election, having to vote for Conservatives, even if staunch Labour supporters, as Conservatives were the only party guaranteeing that the democratic vote on Brexit would be upheld.  This showed that people value democracy above all the other factors (including whether for or against Brexit) - thank goodness!

The common man voted for Brexit because their lives in their home country, the UK, were being so adversely affected by the EU rules imposed, that they were willing to accept there would be inevitable pains to suffer in many ways, by leaving the EU. But with the sincere belief that eventually, the ongoing steep decline in their quality of life at home in the UK would at least slow down, if not stop or improve.  The problems around their second home paled in comparison.  

People that voted for Brexit should be given some credit that they weighed up the pros and cons and werent mindless sheep ... they thought about not just themselves but about the country as a whole.

Well said Leafy....I voted Brexit, but i voted for the future of my kids and my Country, not for me. I have property in Spain, love the Country, and Spain benefits from the EU. I worked for the EU and found them to be a corrupt bureaucratic power grabber. As a net loser the UK will be better off out of it, and thus my children will have a better future not propping up other failed economies. I worry for the generation of Spanish children, they will have a country who will never get out of this debt, with a diminishing population, Spain really needs to overcome all the red tape to ensure tourism from the UK can continue to pump the billions into the economy, as without it will leave a huge dent. 

jm0452

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:38pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:38pm

alavib wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:59pm:

Very well said, and I am sure the people who were duped to vote out are on a very slippery ladder of regrets, which time will make it even worst 

How can a country which is the 3rd largest economy in middle of Western Europe detach itself from their neighbors and pretend they now have taken back control!!...

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UK citizens are and always will be European and to see that cause of corrupt politicians deceiving the nation that by voting to stay out somehow they will take back control and everyone will prosper is a tragedy 

And it has only just began and will get much worst 

Don't Regret brexit for a minute you obviously don't know much about Britain anymore or you would know it was a working class who wanted to leave and the Elise who wanted to stay to get their Farm subsidies and EU pensions

jm0452

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:40pm

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Stephanie86 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:14pm:

The Spanish economy is unlikely to collapse without British tourists. The tourism sector is approximately 11% of GDP (I read this in a UK financial article last year), although it appears much greater to those in the Costa Blanca and further south due to the concentration of foreign residents of ...

...all varieties. There is a large industrial base in Catalonia as well as a large agricultural industry. So although of course any exodus of foreign tourists and consequently their cash will be noticed, the main effect would only be felt really to any extent  in this one area.

The British will be back... they are not anti Spanish or European they are anti EU

jm0452

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:48pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:48pm

alavib wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:35pm:

The person who quoted that funny paragraph is a typical uninformed Brit, like the rest of the sheep who fell for that cone of a slogan on that famous bus

And these people have no regards for the 48% of the population who were intelligent enough to know that voting yes was like shooting one’s foot

It’s done now and the real pain and hard times are ahead for those so called common man in the street who without any knowledge of global economy and global village which the world operates voted like sheep would do

I hope people of Scotland detach themselves from this con engineered by the rich and powerful and remain part of EU, as this union had endured there is peace and stability in whole of Europe 

You haven't a clue about what happened in Britain you obviously have not been there for a long time the British refuse to have non elected bureaucrats deciding on who gets what in the EU especially when the accounts have never been signed off Germany and France I've taken the lion's share of the help to alleviate brexit and left poorer countries in the lurch the only way the EU will not collapse is if Germany and the northern countries taxpayers agree to transfer ar wealth down to the south not debts they can't pay back

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:38pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:38pm

dinnerout wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:03pm:

"because it as an EU state member must always take its orders via the various non elected bodies that steer Europe"

The Original Poster has betrayed his agenda with this reference in the first paragraph of the post.

The prevalence of Covid in both the EU and in the UK is distorting and magnifying the current situation.

Once Covid is under control we will see a clearer picture emerging which allows a better comparison to be made between the effects on Spain and the effects on the UK. Things will settle down.

The OP makes reference to the number of cafes and bars closed in Spain but fails to balance that opinion by mentioning the number of bars, cafes and restaurants currently closed or at risk of closure in the UK.

There seems to be a notion among some that Spain will become the new Venezuela without the British pound.

Does he think that British people will suddenly stop taking holidays in Spain? The number one most popular holiday destination for British people? Given that the requirements for holiday travel to Spain are the same as they are for any other European short haul destination I can't see that happening. 

Certainly fewer British people may seek to buy property in Spain, and some existing owners may seek to sell. It remains to be seen what effect that may have on the overall property market but I suspect the prophets of doom may be disappointed. 

What I do know, is that many people who voted Leave wish to see the EU collapse - as if the Leave vote was not quite enough to satisfy their hate for the EU - but again I think they will be disappointed. 

Actually the rules aren't the same for travelling to all European countries. Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and Romania don't have the 90 day rule and have become extremely popular for travellers. 

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