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Hew

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:01pm

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Dagurney wrote on Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:41pm:

The government have made an informed choice for the benefit of the planet and to avoid power cuts in future - why must we alays go on about personal choice when a democratic government has made a choice for the benefit of the whole of society.

Can’t really disagree with you, except the statement “why are we always going on about personal choice” .

If we remove freedom of choice from a democratic society or the facility to question decisions, then we are no longer a democratic society. Definitely not a dictatorship by any means, but perhaps slightly moving in that direction. Freedom of choice is a very important thing, always has been. My personal choice would be to set my air conditioning at whatever temperature made me comfortable.  And sometimes governments realise they have made a knee jerk decision, and even though they were democratically elected that they made a mistake. 

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dinnerout wrote on Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:09am:

Ray, I was referring to the article posted above by Kimmy. It doesn't specifically mention British pressure as claimed by Hew in his post, although it does mention the USA.

Of course Spain welcomes all tourists wherever they originate from. 

Steve

Hi dinnerout, the article posted by Kimmy actually says, The Spanish Gov will review its energy saving policy after British tourists were warned they are going to roast on holiday.  No one said it indicated British pressure ? Just that the Spanish government will review its energy saving policy so as not to put off British tourists.

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:31pm

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Hew wrote on Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:01pm:

Can’t really disagree with you, except the statement “why are we always going on about personal choice” .

If we remove freedom of choice from a democratic society or the facility to question decisions, then we are no longer a democratic society. Definitely not a dictatorship by any means, but perhaps slightly moving in that direction. Freedom of choice is a very important thing, always has been. My p...

...ersonal choice would be to set my air conditioning at whatever temperature made me comfortable.  And sometimes governments realise they have made a knee jerk decision, and even though they were democratically elected that they made a mistake. 

So if the government said - for example - you must wear a face mask in certain places would you say your "freedom of choice" was being infringed upon by an undemocratic decision? "I won't be forced to contribute to the greater good of society".

It does seem to me, at least from what you've posted, that you're in the camp of "no one can tell me what to do, I know my rights" ?

Steve

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dinnerout wrote on Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:31pm:

So if the government said - for example - you must wear a face mask in certain places would you say your "freedom of choice" was being infringed upon by an undemocratic decision? "I won't be forced to contribute to the greater good of society".

It does seem to me, at least from what you've posted, that you're in the camp of "no one can tell me what to do, I know my rights" ?...

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Steve

The Government never had to say to me or my family, wear masks. We were wearing them when the UK gov said they were not necessary, in fact they said they were of no benefit ! Which I knew was total rubbish as I had just come back from the Far East and could see how things were going to progress in Europe, and it did.

So what governments say is not always true, I used my personal choice and wore a mask, even when people in the UK were looking at me like an idiot. You have totally got me wrong as far as being in a camp where no one can tell me what to do, quite the opposite. But I do appreciate some freedom of choice. Let’s be honest, this particular topic is to do with something totally insignificant (what temperature can I set my air on) Life is too short, worry about the other Huge issues threading our future. 

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:55am

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GrahamLynn wrote on Sun Aug 7, 2022 10:08pm:

I think we  also managed last year, when the use of aircon and heating was completely banned  in bars/restaurants due to covid regulations 

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I have never heard of this ban in Spain.   My aircon is very rarely set at less than 27 degrees and at times is too cold.

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:05am

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Grannyrose wrote on Mon Aug 8, 2022 10:43am:

I often look at many of the houses close by here in Spain who don’t appear to have any aircon units and realise that the Spanish people are acclimatised but most of us aren’t. I am not exaggerating when I describe myself as a soaking, wet mess during the day if not at the beach. It’s hell. ...

...I was walking over to a restaurant a few years ago and a tiny Spanish lady was also walking along. My lovely daughter started to chat with her and I joined in. The word she used to describe the heat remains in my memory vividly.  TORTUROUS.  SAME Word IN HER LANGUAGE!   What a description!   Nobody really likes this intense heat constantly.   I’m fine indoors and on the beach but outside ?   Not a pretty sight   Cheers everyone. 

I was reading an article on BBC news and a very low percentage of Properties in Spain have aircon! I think the Spanish are masochistic they seem to love making life unnecessarily difficult for themselves. I would like to know who is going to visit all these establishments to monitor the temperature.

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I thought the whole basis of a democratic society was that we elected representatives and effectively authorised them to make decisions on our behalf. If we don’t like them, they can be voted out at the next election.

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:25am

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Golandrina wrote on Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:55am:

I have never heard of this ban in Spain.   My aircon is very rarely set at less than 27 degrees and at times is too cold.

Don't worry, there isn't  a ban. It was a proposal for commercial premises.

Steve 

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:37am

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:37am

Grannyrose wrote on Sun Aug 7, 2022 10:24pm:

I read the same article yesterday and was horrified!  My aircon was set at 19* so decided to put it to the test! I upped it to 27* and it was perfectly fine. Like the rest of you, I’m sick and fed up with all these alarmist news reports 

I appreciate your post. Thank you. I feel doubly content having read your comments. Going home to good old (NI) on Wednesday  where I won’t be looking like a wet rag doll ! However, we’ll be back at the end of September and hopefully it’ll be a little bit cooler then.  Cheers.&nbs...

...p;

Same here, I always set my a/c at 27/28° when I go to bed and very comfortable it is too 

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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:30pm

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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:30pm

Hew wrote on Sun Aug 7, 2022 10:37pm:

That’s because you need a new thermostat ! It will be nice In NI next week, but if you had air con in NI you would be allowed to set it at whatever temperature suited you, not what the Government told you to set it at. And that is a fact !. Enjoy NI, cheers. 

Hew only if it is in her home. If the government says pubs and restaurants must not be below 27 then that would be it

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