Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:45am
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:06pm
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Thank you, Ray, for your informative response to my post. In fact, I am totally sympathetic to your predicament and share all your concerns; I did not address them directly because my intention was to allay some of the more extreme fears by pointing out the worst case scenario i.e. that we will be on a par with the vast majority of non-EU states if a no-Deal Brexit comes about. It is true, though, that in the near future, sixty five million UK citizens will lose their EU citizenship in one fell swoop, even though the vast majority will never have been given the opportunity to express their opinion on this outcome. I personally was devastated at the fact that the result of an ill-devised, advisory referendum that was unfit for purpose in so many ways and was clearly injurious to the traditional British constitution, was to deprive me of my EU citizenship which I has assumed I would enjoy for the rest of my days. This of course is only exacerbated by the chaos that has been unleashed since that result and the uncertainty that remains. I myself am likely to apply for Spanish residency after Brexit so I have made myself aware of the requirements which currently apply to third party nations; these are obviously more demanding than those for EU citizens but as baseline criteria are not excessively alarming. The link to the article posted by Kevin above is worth following up as it does suggest that the Spanish government will make good on its previous commitment to try to maintain the status quo as far as EU rules permit.
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:02pm
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Movingon wrote on Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:07am:
FWIW
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6851_en.htm
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My personal opinion is that it will go to the wire and end up in an 'informed' people's vote (not a second referendum! ) in which there are but two options, leave with no deal or forget the whole sorry pantomime and remain in the EU.
No deal still leaves the Irish border problem however to which there is no solution. How deliciously ironic then that one 'backstop' for those so entitled is to apply for an Irish passport!
“ no deal leaves the Irish border with no solution” this is a total myth and just a way of delaying brexi, it’s only the EU making a big deal of it. They could easily allow an open border if they wanted. Switzerland borders five EU countries and yet every o ne has a mutual open border policy so it’s not hard just leverage for Brussels to stall. I suspect in the end when no deal becomes a reality both parties will come to their senses and agree a mutually beneficial trade arrangement ( if they are sensible) or not ( if they want to make an example of us and punish us for leaving)
At the end of the day the Spanish would be mad to punish The expats as their money props up the economy. So imo nothing will really change
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:28pm
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Rusty - Switzerland is in Schengen so has an open border for EU nationals. (Neither the UK or Ireland are in Schengen.) Switzerland has very definite borders for goods as not in the CU with customs controls and a lot of paperwork for moving goods between the EU and Switzerland, despite hundreds of agreements and very close alignment on standards.
What a load of crap go out enjoy life it’s for the living.your dead a long time worrying about what is going to happen is not good for you. politicians are paid to do that.
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