The unintended consequences of Brexit ? - Page 4

HeatherBob. Migrants or refugees travelling into other EU countries do not have any right to travel on to the UK, they are not EU citizens. Refugees are covered by international laws and are not migrants, the words are not interchangeable.

Let us asume a person migrates to Spain from a country in Africa and legally resides there. They will need to establish 10 years residency and pass language and cultural test before being granted Spanish citizenship, which would take another couple of years and thereby have the same rights as all EU citizens on freedom of movement. If, which is unlikely, they then decided to move to the UK after being settled in Spain for 12 to 15 years, then they would be doing so as an EU citizen, one that you say you have no objection to. They would also be doing so within the FOM restrictions.

As I said, refugees are governed by separate international laws and agreements. Those who arrived in mainland Europe three summers ago have no automatic right to travel to the UK.

I am therefore not sure your reason stated for voting leave has any foundation. I am genuinely interested in why you think leaving the EU would reduce immigration from countries outside the EU, when it will in practice probably result (as current stats show) in increases from non EU countries as we make those from our closest neighbours less welcome.

Davebev, I was unaware you knew of my reasons for voting to leave the EU, I did state that immigration was "one" of my reasons but nowhere have I stated my other reasons, on more of my reasons was I dislike the fact our country was subject to laws decided by beurocrats I do not know and we never voted for, there are more reasons I voted as I did but will not go into them right now.

As for refugee / migrants situation my stance is the vast majority are being classified wrongly as refugees when they are infact economic migrants, as you say allowing them refugee status gives them rights they do not deserve.

It is not easy to qualify as a refugee, many who claim that status get refused. You only gave one reason and I asked a question about that which you have chosen not to answer.

Another reason you gave was unelected beurocrats decided 'our' laws. Well the MEPs are elected, the UK had over 10% of the MEPs, therefore a load voice, a vote and a veto. Beurocrats (ie civil servants) do not make the laws but have a similar role to civil servants in Westminster, there are just a lot less of them in Brussels. The EU parliament pass laws on matters that all 28 members agree should be considered. They do not interfere with domestic policy as all 28 have their own governments for national issues. I guess the best option, in trying to understand where you are coming from with your views, is to ask for an example of a law of the nature you described.

Davebev, Apologies if i missed a question, can you clarify the question and i will happily answer if i can, i certainly did not "choose not to answer" as you put it..

As for Britain having 10% of MEPs unsure how that helps the UK, more so given our own UK based MPs have shown disdain for our own democracy, are MEPs anymore interested in democracy than our home grown lot, i doubt it.

I have also given a link below which you might find interesting reading but somehow i doubt it, if you have any questions for me fire away though i should say plain language helps, remember i am a brexiter.

As you would like to ask me questions might i ask you one, i assume your British, do you consider yourself British or European ?

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/

The first question was why would you think leaving the EU will reduce non-EU immigration (or overall immigration for that matter) when the evidence states it won't. And my second question was regarding an example of a law you believe was imposed on you by unelected bureaucrats. Not trick questions, just trying to understand your viewpoint.

Took a quick look at the link, not sure why you included it as not directly related to Brexit. Remember please that EU migrants in the UK are net contributors.

Regarding how I regard myself, I am English, British and European - those statuses do not compete with each other or detract from each other, I am all three. 

I live in the UK, have a second home and business interests in Spain resulting in paying taxes in both countries, so I contribute to the economies of both countries. 

Where do you live and how would you describe yourself?

So what happens if I leave through another country and then return to Spain? 

I don't understand a word you are saying. Have you been on the brandy? 

Ray, You speak about democracy in action, can you say that about the 300 UK MPs that are fighting against brexit, MPs who in some cases represent areas that voted to leave the the EU, is this your remainer type take on democracy ?.

I am 64, i have voted 4 times in my life, twice during Scottish referendums, once at brexit referendum and once for the tories at the last election when our illustrious PM Ms May stood up in front of the country and lied when she said " brexit means brexit", is this the democracy you speak about ?.

As for your Brits being economic migrants in Spain i have no idea how you come to that conclusion, how many Brits do you know came here when they cannot afford to pay their way, Brits come to Spain for the weather or culture, whatever rocks their boat they do not come here to leech from the country, they pay their way.

Ray, i can understand why you voted to remain in the EU though why you even had a vote is beyond me, wonder how many others got to vote that were not actually British, off course this is part of the problem, to many non Brits were allowed to vote during brexit referendum, but they had to try and load the dice somehow, shame they lost (not)

Bob, you obviously have taken very little interest during your life in politics. That is your choice but, to be honest, I am shocked that you have never bothered to take your voting rights seriously, again your choice, but does explain your misunderstandings of how it all works.

Secondly you seem to be under the impression that that MPs are delegates, they are not. An MP's legal duty is to do what he/she believes is in the best interests of the UK as a whole. Second duty is to represent their constituents. Nowhere in their list of duties does it say they have to follow  any of the wishes of their constituents, which would be impossible anyway. 

So my next question to you is what you thought Mrs May meant in that infamous soundbite of "brexit means brexit" when no definition was given?