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GerryJ

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:55am

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:55am

@Bencr85 (post didn't add your quote for some reason)

"Someones crawled out of the woodwork , brexit was brilliant,  just executed by morons , just imagine how many vaccines would we have had if we were still in the club , how many lives have been saved by not being in the EU club! We've probably saved 10's of thousands of lives,  well worth it , pounds going up , predicted to be 1,20 soon. No cliff anywhere."

Loving the eternal optimism. Imagine how many lives could have been saved if the pandemic had been handled by a more competent government. Compared with other islands who had 'control' over their points of entry, the UK's mortality rate is shocking. Pretty much the worst in the world per capita for any sizeable country. Banging the drum over vaccine distribution is akin to celebrating putting out the fire after the house has burned down. Even if the pound does reach 1,20, that's still 25 cents lower than when this nonsense kicked off. Predictions change on a daily basis given the current volatility in the market. 24 hours ago it reached the giddy heights of 1.17, only to come crashing back down again. We have a prime minister who now thinks it would be a jolly good idea to circumvent the Irish border problem by digging multiple tunnels under the Irish Sea, with a 'roundabout' under The Isle of Man. Your average flag waving brexiteer mirrors the deluded insanity of this man

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:44pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:44pm

GerryJ wrote on Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:55am:

@Bencr85 (post didn't add your quote for some reason)

"Someones crawled out of the woodwork , brexit was brilliant,  just executed by morons , just imagine how many vaccines would we have had if we were still in the club , how many lives have been saved by not being in the EU club! We've probably saved 10's of thousands of lives,  well wor...

...th it , pounds going up , predicted to be 1,20 soon. No cliff anywhere."

Loving the eternal optimism. Imagine how many lives could have been saved if the pandemic had been handled by a more competent government. Compared with other islands who had 'control' over their points of entry, the UK's mortality rate is shocking. Pretty much the worst in the world per capita for any sizeable country. Banging the drum over vaccine distribution is akin to celebrating putting out the fire after the house has burned down. Even if the pound does reach 1,20, that's still 25 cents lower than when this nonsense kicked off. Predictions change on a daily basis given the current volatility in the market. 24 hours ago it reached the giddy heights of 1.17, only to come crashing back down again. We have a prime minister who now thinks it would be a jolly good idea to circumvent the Irish border problem by digging multiple tunnels under the Irish Sea, with a 'roundabout' under The Isle of Man. Your average flag waving brexiteer mirrors the deluded insanity of this man

25 cents Lower.  Really.  We’ve been lucky to get 1.15 for YEARS.   

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:40pm

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L181SKY wrote on Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:44pm:

25 cents Lower.  Really.  We’ve been lucky to get 1.15 for YEARS.   

My post refers to Bencr85's optimism that the pound will reach 1.20, which is 25 cents lower than the 1.45 it was in Nov '15, so yes, really ... and as to it not being over 1.15 for YEARS... It was 1.20 LAST year in Feb

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:25pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:25pm

GerryJ wrote on Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:40pm:

My post refers to Bencr85's optimism that the pound will reach 1.20, which is 25 cents lower than the 1.45 it was in Nov '15, so yes, really ... and as to it not being over 1.15 for YEARS... It was 1.20 LAST year in Feb

Oh well maybe you are right.  1.42 on 30th Nov 2015.    average for the whole of 2020 ,    1.12 !     lowest was March 2020.    1.06 !    I obviously didn’t need to look lol.  

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:46pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:46pm

L181SKY wrote on Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:25pm:

Oh well maybe you are right.  1.42 on 30th Nov 2015.    average for the whole of 2020 ,    1.12 !     lowest was March 2020.    1.06 !    I obviously didn’t need to look lol.  

No worries bud. It was doing quite well last year until Covid hit. It has taken this long to recover 

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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:50am

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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:50am

Sincere apologies to Jeffers86, to whom I erroneously  attributed a post by Bencr85. I have since edited and amended my post.

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Posted: Wed Mar 3, 2021 1:11pm

Jeffers26 wrote on Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:26pm:

If you don't believe anything you read in these papers,why do you read them?

Ever the pessimist

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Kelvin1960 wrote on Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:07pm:

I took this from a Facebook page this morning.

Interested to know if this opinion resonates with the factual experience of members of this forum.

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"We’ve just returned from a Murcia trip to view some potential ‘Holiday / looking to retirement age homes’.. this was our second trip the first being in February. In one Urbanización more than others there is this overwhelming support for ‘Brexit’ and wanting to leave the EU..!! Yet the residents appear to be leaving in droves back to the UK, some can’t sell their properties, those which have done have done at a very low price, People are moaning about health care worries, worried about their futures after living in Spain for so many years etc... the amount of properties up for sale since February was shocking.

But the best one I heard while ‘earwigging’ was a woman in her late 60’s saying she’s voted to leave because of immigration... yet she’s having to stop working and is considering returning to the UK because after all of her years in Spain the relevant authorities have clamped down on her because she didn’t have residential status...!! She’s spent the last 18 or so years working illegally and now she’s blaming the Spanish for being the way they are.."

Good morning Kelvin1960. Since midnight on 31 December many issues are coming to light that affect the rights of UK people legally resident in Spain and those who own holiday homes here that were not foreseen or even considered in the mad rush to achieve a "deal" after 4 years of negotiation. Where you and I live we are on an artificial line between Mazarron and Torrevieja surrounding the Cartagena naval base that was designated as a military zone in Franco's last years. Spain is now trying to retrospectively reimpose an old Royal Decree requiring Foreigners wishing to buy houses in these zones (that also include all border areas with France and Portugal) to submit criminal records and further documents incurring costly delays. Local estate agents are furious as there is still a demand for UK to buy property in Spain and this will dampen that demand to the detriment of the Spanish economy. There are also many UK owners of boats across all the Costas. Neither the Spanish maritime authorities or the RYA in UK can provide definitive answers to queries on new rules for registration of boats owned by UK residents in Spain or whether our "international" qualifications are still recognised. Because the topic was never addressed in negotiations. Think of an UK family who own a holiday home and a boat in Spain. Now faced with the 90 day rule and increased costs of keeping a boat here. Is it any surprise that some people are re-assessing whether they can afford to have assets in Spain?

There are many such issues requiring further UK/Spain bilateral discussions and agreements. These are already underway. Gibraltar will be brought into the Schengen zone as it is in both nation's interests. Oh, what if we sail into Gib and want to return to our mooring in Spain? BremaininSpain has formed a small, closed group to gather our concerns on such issues and present them to the British Embassy on a monthly basis.

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Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2021 11:59am

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Mike44 wrote on Sun Mar 7, 2021 10:24am:

Good morning Kelvin1960. Since midnight on 31 December many issues are coming to light that affect the rights of UK people legally resident in Spain and those who own holiday homes here that were not foreseen or even considered in the mad rush to achieve a "deal" after 4 years of negotiation. Whe...

...re you and I live we are on an artificial line between Mazarron and Torrevieja surrounding the Cartagena naval base that was designated as a military zone in Franco's last years. Spain is now trying to retrospectively reimpose an old Royal Decree requiring Foreigners wishing to buy houses in these zones (that also include all border areas with France and Portugal) to submit criminal records and further documents incurring costly delays. Local estate agents are furious as there is still a demand for UK to buy property in Spain and this will dampen that demand to the detriment of the Spanish economy. There are also many UK owners of boats across all the Costas. Neither the Spanish maritime authorities or the RYA in UK can provide definitive answers to queries on new rules for registration of boats owned by UK residents in Spain or whether our "international" qualifications are still recognised. Because the topic was never addressed in negotiations. Think of an UK family who own a holiday home and a boat in Spain. Now faced with the 90 day rule and increased costs of keeping a boat here. Is it any surprise that some people are re-assessing whether they can afford to have assets in Spain?

There are many such issues requiring further UK/Spain bilateral discussions and agreements. These are already underway. Gibraltar will be brought into the Schengen zone as it is in both nation's interests. Oh, what if we sail into Gib and want to return to our mooring in Spain? BremaininSpain has formed a small, closed group to gather our concerns on such issues and present them to the British Embassy on a monthly basis.

It may suit some for Gib to be in Schengen ,but no 90 day in 180 reprieve  ,so a long drive for us with dogs ! and the animal health certificate is yet another problem, saw someone charged £165 , but it’s x2 for us ! shocking !    Somewhere in Norfolk is £35 !   

Lancelot

Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2021 12:46pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2021 12:46pm

It's interesting how the history of Brexit will be written up. 

For example the way the politics organised around the question of Brexit was broadly in favour or against. Looking at this there was perhaps an opportunity for those who didn't want Brexit to shape it. I suspect there will eventually be a realisation that, with a remain stacked parliament, an opportunity was lost to get Theresa May's deal through which could have been so diluted that it would be more akin to remain.

What didn't help was Labour not really having a position and the Lib Dems being the voice of Remain. Ultimately all of those who joined anti brexit marches and signed petitions got nothing. Whereas they could have got a Brexit in name only and split the Tory party. Instead we had the Brexit we had and a 90 Tory majority in parliament.

Whilst I'm not arguing a position, will history judge the above to be a missed opportunity?

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