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Kim007

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:03pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:03pm

norrimac wrote on Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:07am:

I'm no friend of the original poster. And you're talking total garbage Simon Sadler.

A gestor rather than "gesture" (holy smoke!) is NOT a lawyer. They're ACCOUNTANTS who sometimes have a MINOR qualification to work in the real estate field shuffling papers.

If you paid €300 and there were no post-purchase legal ramifications, you were one of the lucky ones.

I've been in real estate in Spain for nearly 30 years and if you buy without using a fully-qualified ABOGADO, rather than a "gesture"...

Then you need your head examined.

You wouldn't buy a property in the UK without a lawyer -- why in god's name would you buy in Spain without one???

Jeez Louise...

Hi Jeez Louise

Official legal information I got was from the embassy, consulate office, the Spanish Citizen's Advice Bureau, notaries and qualified lawyers.
From start to finish I have been very cautious and I used a qualified lawyer/abogado and a registered notary that communicated in my mother tongue language and I gave him a legal power of attorney which my local public notary obtained.  A legal Power of Attorney was officially obtained.  

Problems often arise from persons who think they can do it themselves, devious estate agents who recommend their lawyers, and the true legal situation only comes to light when a person passes away, sells their property, inheritance issues or wants to apply for planning permisison and licences.

My understanding is that a gestor (male) and a gestoria (female) is a private professional agent who specialises in dealing with Spanish administrative bureaucracy on behalf of a client.  They provide services on a wide variety of bureaucratic procedures (e.g. tax, accountancy, vehicle registrations, residency and nationality applications etc.).  They provide services on a wide variety of bureaucratic procedures (e.g. tax, accountancy, vehicle registrations, residency and nationality applications etc.), and although there is often no equivalent to this role in many other countries, instructing a gestor is common practice in Spain.  Instructing a gestor is common practice in Spain.  It should be noted that a gestor is not a qualified lawyer.  If courts are involved then a lawyer will be required.

For his own peace of mind I very strongly advise Simon Sadler to get all his legal documents checked by a qualified lawyer.  Your next of kin will appreciate this.  

DO NOT CUT LEGAL CORNERS.



norrimac

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:08pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:08pm

Kim007 wrote on Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:03pm:

Hi Jeez Louise

Official legal information I got was from the embassy, consulate office, the Spanish Citizen's Advice Bureau, notaries and qualified lawyers.
From start to finish I have been very cautious and I used a qualified lawyer/abogado and a registered notary that communicated in...

... my mother tongue language and I gave him a legal power of attorney which my local public notary obtained.  A legal Power of Attorney was officially obtained.  

Problems often arise from persons who think they can do it themselves, devious estate agents who recommend their lawyers, and the true legal situation only comes to light when a person passes away, sells their property, inheritance issues or wants to apply for planning permisison and licences.

My understanding is that a gestor (male) and a gestoria (female) is a private professional agent who specialises in dealing with Spanish administrative bureaucracy on behalf of a client.  They provide services on a wide variety of bureaucratic procedures (e.g. tax, accountancy, vehicle registrations, residency and nationality applications etc.).  They provide services on a wide variety of bureaucratic procedures (e.g. tax, accountancy, vehicle registrations, residency and nationality applications etc.), and although there is often no equivalent to this role in many other countries, instructing a gestor is common practice in Spain.  Instructing a gestor is common practice in Spain.  It should be noted that a gestor is not a qualified lawyer.  If courts are involved then a lawyer will be required.

For his own peace of mind I very strongly advise Simon Sadler to get all his legal documents checked by a qualified lawyer.  Your next of kin will appreciate this.  

DO NOT CUT LEGAL CORNERS.



Agree 100%.

Many people are unaware the reason Christopher Columbus did not register North America as Spanish property was because he couldn't find a gestoria open.

Just sayin'...

Sile1

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:10pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:10pm

norrimac wrote on Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:07am:

I'm no friend of the original poster. And you're talking total garbage Simon Sadler.

A gestor rather than "gesture" (holy smoke!) is NOT a lawyer. They're ACCOUNTANTS who sometimes have a MINOR qualification to work in the real estate field shuffling papers.

If you paid €300 and there were no post-purchase legal ramifications, you were one of the lucky ones.

I've been in real estate in Spain for nearly 30 years and if you buy without using a fully-qualified ABOGADO, rather than a "gesture"...

Then you need your head examined.

You wouldn't buy a property in the UK without a lawyer -- why in god's name would you buy in Spain without one???

Jeez Louise...

Totally agree you cannot buy property without a lawyer crazy idea

Mary59

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:30pm

Posts: 56

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Location: Daya Nueva

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:30pm

norrimac wrote on Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:07am:

I'm no friend of the original poster. And you're talking total garbage Simon Sadler.

A gestor rather than "gesture" (holy smoke!) is NOT a lawyer. They're ACCOUNTANTS who sometimes have a MINOR qualification to work in the real estate field shuffling papers.

If you paid €300 and there were no post-purchase legal ramifications, you were one of the lucky ones.

I've been in real estate in Spain for nearly 30 years and if you buy without using a fully-qualified ABOGADO, rather than a "gesture"...

Then you need your head examined.

You wouldn't buy a property in the UK without a lawyer -- why in god's name would you buy in Spain without one???

Jeez Louise...

Louise, just read your post.  Its so stupid to buy in Spain without using a lawyer.   Lawyers are highly qualified people who carry Professional Indemnity Insurance and who are governed by the Spanish Law Society.   In Alicante region we used MAM Solicitors, Jose Maria and were delighted with the service provided.   Happy that all the checks were done.  Mary

norrimac

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:03pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:03pm

Kim007 wrote on Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:03pm:

Hi Jeez Louise

Official legal information I got was from the embassy, consulate office, the Spanish Citizen's Advice Bureau, notaries and qualified lawyers.
From start to finish I have been very cautious and I used a qualified lawyer/abogado and a registered notary that communicated in...

... my mother tongue language and I gave him a legal power of attorney which my local public notary obtained.  A legal Power of Attorney was officially obtained.  

Problems often arise from persons who think they can do it themselves, devious estate agents who recommend their lawyers, and the true legal situation only comes to light when a person passes away, sells their property, inheritance issues or wants to apply for planning permisison and licences.

My understanding is that a gestor (male) and a gestoria (female) is a private professional agent who specialises in dealing with Spanish administrative bureaucracy on behalf of a client.  They provide services on a wide variety of bureaucratic procedures (e.g. tax, accountancy, vehicle registrations, residency and nationality applications etc.).  They provide services on a wide variety of bureaucratic procedures (e.g. tax, accountancy, vehicle registrations, residency and nationality applications etc.), and although there is often no equivalent to this role in many other countries, instructing a gestor is common practice in Spain.  Instructing a gestor is common practice in Spain.  It should be noted that a gestor is not a qualified lawyer.  If courts are involved then a lawyer will be required.

For his own peace of mind I very strongly advise Simon Sadler to get all his legal documents checked by a qualified lawyer.  Your next of kin will appreciate this.  

DO NOT CUT LEGAL CORNERS.



Hi Kim, one minor point if I may?

‘Gestor’ is a general word for an accountant (or ‘doer of stuff that’s a pain in the butt for normal people’)

‘Gestoria’ means the business as in the offices from which they operate.

I think 🤔 a female gestor might be ‘gestora’ but I’ve never heard that word used.

Good advice here! 👍

Norm

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Pat4752

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:32pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:32pm

Mary59 wrote on Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:30pm:

Louise, just read your post.  Its so stupid to buy in Spain without using a lawyer.   Lawyers are highly qualified people who carry Professional Indemnity Insurance and who are governed by the Spanish Law Society.   In Alicante region we used MAM Solicitors, Jose Maria an...

...d were delighted with the service provided.   Happy that all the checks were done.  Mary

Totally agree, we bought in October 22 and had spanish solicitors, could not have had a better professional service  and value for money 

Kim007

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:44pm

Kim007

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:44pm

Pat4752 wrote on Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:32pm:

Totally agree, we bought in October 22 and had spanish solicitors, could not have had a better professional service  and value for money 

Congratulations!  Best to be safe than sorry.

  

Suzan150

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:56pm

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Location: Playa Flamenca

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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:56pm

Hi, l have bought a place in Playa Flamenca, completion 15th February. The property is on a path way and has a very small gate. I need to have privacy as l have young grandchildren.

1. Do l have to ask permission from management company ?

2. Also does anyone know where l can get a 6ft gate ?

Would appreciate your comments.

Thanks

Sue

Gemily1

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:12am

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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:12am

Pat4752 wrote on Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:52pm:

We purchased our property in October 2022, we paid government tax 10% plus 3%, legal fees , we were given full pricing , and list of prices for any service we may require, we were in new house in 4 weeks, excellent all the way

Would you put the company on here who you used it would be helpful to buyers.

Mary59

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:52am

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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:52am

Gemily1 wrote on Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:12am:

Would you put the company on here who you used it would be helpful to buyers.

We used Jose Maria of MAM Solicitors.  They were excellent.  Would recommend Jose Maria everytime.   

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