Track & Trace, which camp would you be in? - Page 2

aitchc1401 wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:05pm:

At the moment they are not using the app, there is a good outline of the process they are using in the Daily Telegraph, 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/nhs-test-trace-system-coronavirus-uk/

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I don't know about the claims you make in your post about the vendors developing the app,the length of data retention, etc, etc, where did you read that? 

There are several government support programs for people who cannot work which should include anyone with covid19, I don't see why someone who is working and gets sick would not be entitled to sick pay. What's the  alternative,  ignore and potentially spread the virus regardless?

Rgds,

Aitch.

mickyd wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:14pm:

No you don't need to go on because the fact is if you don't self isolate you may infect numerous other people,. keep us in this nightmare longer and possibly kill people. 

If that's not selfish I don't know what is 

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Are the 40,000+ dead a white elephant? I think not! 

Cookep1 wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:39pm:

The information if from a number of media sources and government announcements about the app. It's all in the public domain. 

In terms of support, yes there are a number of programs. The main one relates to furloughed staff who receive 80% of salary until July, after which the rules change. But the issue here is someone who isn't ill but has been asked to self isolate. In these circumstances furlough doesn't apply, nor ...

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...does sick pay. Also furlough and duck pay don't apply to the self employed. So there are a great many people who could incur serious financial penalties. In addition, current reporting is down to individuals with no verification of contacts; how do you stop false or vindictive reporting?

What's the alternative? Work with others to establish common processes and technology taking into consideration data protection laws. Apple & Google have been working together on an agnostic app which holds encrypted data on the device. This is the basis several countries have successfully adopted & deployed. Why we have chosen to follow the path of countries like Saudi Arabia nstead I don't know.

Hope this gies some way to answering your points?

mickyd wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:51pm:

I take it you don't watch the news. UK are not using their app but developing one with Apple/Google. That won't be ready until Autumn. 

I am sorry but nothing justifies you walking around possibly infecting/ killing people

Cookep1 wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:50pm:

It is perfectly true that if an infected person fails to take precautions to limit the risk of spreading infection the ofcourse he/she may infect others. But my point was about ensuring the process used to identify & trace those potential at risk complies with data protection law and human ri...

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...ghts.

If you think its selfish to want to protect your personal data and expect a government to ensure its process do, that's your prerogative. But consider, our government offered those in financial difficulty a three month mortgage holiday. People who took advantage of this are now seeing their credit rating cut as a result. Trust is important. 

And the number dead in the UK is nearer 65k not 40k, and no that isn't a white elephant; but the government app is, which is what I said if you read my text.

Take care.

mickyd wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:19pm:

Sorry. Did you not read what I wrote. There is no app. 

There are no data protection issues as they are only contacting people who's details they are given by a confirmed Covid sufferer. 

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I am not sure what article of the human rights act, you think, covers this scenario

Cookep1 wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:39pm:

The information if from a number of media sources and government announcements about the app. It's all in the public domain. 

In terms of support, yes there are a number of programs. The main one relates to furloughed staff who receive 80% of salary until July, after which the rules change. But the issue here is someone who isn't ill but has been asked to self isolate. In these circumstances furlough doesn't apply, nor ...

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...does sick pay. Also furlough and duck pay don't apply to the self employed. So there are a great many people who could incur serious financial penalties. In addition, current reporting is down to individuals with no verification of contacts; how do you stop false or vindictive reporting?

What's the alternative? Work with others to establish common processes and technology taking into consideration data protection laws. Apple & Google have been working together on an agnostic app which holds encrypted data on the device. This is the basis several countries have successfully adopted & deployed. Why we have chosen to follow the path of countries like Saudi Arabia nstead I don't know.

Hope this gies some way to answering your points?

aitchc1401 wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:50pm:

No, it does not really answer my questions, as far as I can tell it's just your opinions.

   Yes, the NHS have been trialling their own app but as of today given up on it as it does not work with Apple software. They are now trialling the Apple/Google app. The process that they are using today is manual, there will always be a manual element even once the app is working as n...

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...ot everyone has a mobile and not every mobile will be picked up (that is the problem with the Apple/Google app). 

 Lets hope the vast majority opt for helping contact tracing, reducing the spread, reducing the risk of further lockdowns and most important reducing further deaths. 

Rgds,

Aitch.

Paisley13 wrote on Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:57pm:

I usually don’t reply to political posts but on this I think I will.

The UK Government awarded a contract to a local company with close links to Boris Johnston’s number one aid, this was after Apple and Goggle said they could provide an app ( allegedly at no cost , not verified) however Borris decided that his mates mate could get the contract, I believe they th...

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...en asked Google and Apple to provide access to their platforms for some if not all the data , however they declined as they were not happy with how the data was being used by the UK company , so trial on IOW didn’t really work so we now have started again , another one of this totally incompetent Governments failures .

Boris is so like Trump incompetent as a leader of a country and has the mannerisms of a spoiled child